1 00:00:08,330 --> 00:00:06,530 the planets but the Masters almost 2 00:00:10,610 --> 00:00:08,340 surely have a plan 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:10,620 this clearly may be something there 4 00:00:16,950 --> 00:00:13,450 beyond the realm of man 5 00:00:20,170 --> 00:00:16,960 he tested every 6 00:00:42,620 --> 00:00:20,180 the more you think you know the less you 7 00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:45,030 alright folks we know deception runs 8 00:00:48,510 --> 00:00:47,110 deep and we try to hold all our accepted 9 00:00:50,729 --> 00:00:48,520 truths up to the light and make sure 10 00:00:52,860 --> 00:00:50,739 they check out but the most far-out idea 11 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:52,870 the most polarizing possibility that 12 00:00:56,729 --> 00:00:54,970 we've ever really tackled here has got 13 00:00:58,920 --> 00:00:56,739 to be the Flat Earth episode with Eric 14 00:01:00,360 --> 00:00:58,930 Dubay since that show I've had many 15 00:01:02,100 --> 00:01:00,370 people write me to say that they've 16 00:01:04,260 --> 00:01:02,110 stopped listening after wasting their 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:04,270 time with such a ridiculous concept I've 18 00:01:07,530 --> 00:01:06,130 had Plus members canceled because that 19 00:01:09,630 --> 00:01:07,540 episode changed their life for the 20 00:01:11,340 --> 00:01:09,640 better and it's become their sole topic 21 00:01:12,750 --> 00:01:11,350 of interest and I've lost potential 22 00:01:14,130 --> 00:01:12,760 guests because they couldn't be 23 00:01:16,230 --> 00:01:14,140 associated with a show that would even 24 00:01:18,270 --> 00:01:16,240 discuss such a thing so I figured why 25 00:01:19,950 --> 00:01:18,280 not make more trouble for myself and do 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:19,960 it again because Marty leads another 27 00:01:24,210 --> 00:01:22,450 previous THC guest one of the few that 28 00:01:26,670 --> 00:01:24,220 I'd call a friend now and a researcher I 29 00:01:28,889 --> 00:01:26,680 really respect set off to disprove that 30 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:28,899 ludicrous Flat Earth fallacy and found 31 00:01:32,820 --> 00:01:30,729 that he really couldn't it's since 32 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:32,830 become a bigger part of his paradigm his 33 00:01:36,359 --> 00:01:34,690 spiritual journey and the amazing stuff 34 00:01:39,090 --> 00:01:36,369 you can find on his website at Marty 35 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:39,100 leaves 33 com along with the four books 36 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:40,720 he's written in his kick-ass music 37 00:01:45,510 --> 00:01:42,970 ladies and gentlemen my go-to gematria 38 00:01:46,949 --> 00:01:45,520 guru effervescent and always pleasant 39 00:01:48,660 --> 00:01:46,959 Marty my man welcome back to the higher 40 00:01:51,059 --> 00:01:48,670 side hey thanks man 41 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:51,069 yeah pleasure to have you it's always 42 00:01:57,029 --> 00:01:54,880 love the intros dude well I try you got 43 00:01:59,940 --> 00:01:57,039 to put a little effort into it I feel of 44 00:02:02,309 --> 00:01:59,950 course but I consider you a smart 45 00:02:04,559 --> 00:02:02,319 science minded guy you've done great 46 00:02:07,020 --> 00:02:04,569 stuff with gematria and your English 47 00:02:09,540 --> 00:02:07,030 language cipher as well as pie and the 48 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:09,550 sequential codes in nature and it was 49 00:02:13,949 --> 00:02:11,650 really a big surprise to me to see you 50 00:02:15,660 --> 00:02:13,959 put out Flat Earth the ultimate litmus 51 00:02:18,210 --> 00:02:15,670 test which was a really good video and 52 00:02:20,309 --> 00:02:18,220 because I do know you a little bit I 53 00:02:22,650 --> 00:02:20,319 have a real interest in that journey 54 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:22,660 that conversion process maybe you could 55 00:02:26,250 --> 00:02:24,310 walk us through that a little bit you 56 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:26,260 had to find it ridiculous at first right 57 00:02:32,250 --> 00:02:29,170 I think most people do I mean because 58 00:02:34,470 --> 00:02:32,260 when we've been told since since our 59 00:02:36,330 --> 00:02:34,480 kindergarten or whatever that I mean 60 00:02:38,250 --> 00:02:36,340 this is an absolute fact the earth is a 61 00:02:40,830 --> 00:02:38,260 sphere the Sun is you know as a 62 00:02:42,570 --> 00:02:40,840 heliocentric system etc etc so I think 63 00:02:44,130 --> 00:02:42,580 that most people have that initial 64 00:02:45,660 --> 00:02:44,140 reaction then it's like oh okay 65 00:02:46,890 --> 00:02:45,670 well this is this is garbage what the 66 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:46,900 hell oh says this is the dumbest 67 00:02:52,020 --> 00:02:50,049 conspiracy I've ever heard and so I had 68 00:02:54,220 --> 00:02:52,030 that reaction as well but it was a very 69 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:54,230 it was very short-lived 70 00:02:57,580 --> 00:02:55,730 and the reason it was short-lived is 71 00:02:58,990 --> 00:02:57,590 because I'd done a lot of four years 72 00:03:01,089 --> 00:02:59,000 studied a lot of other cultures like 73 00:03:03,479 --> 00:03:01,099 comparative mythology sort of like some 74 00:03:06,190 --> 00:03:03,489 syncretic study that sort of thing and 75 00:03:07,530 --> 00:03:06,200 rila I mean I knew right away that there 76 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:07,540 was all of these other cultures 77 00:03:13,330 --> 00:03:10,970 throughout history that absolutely 100% 78 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:13,340 claim that the earth was flat you know 79 00:03:18,789 --> 00:03:16,610 and even the the the themes of how they 80 00:03:20,770 --> 00:03:18,799 how they explained the earth were very 81 00:03:23,170 --> 00:03:20,780 similar a lot of times it was sitting in 82 00:03:25,330 --> 00:03:23,180 water there was four pillars that were 83 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:25,340 holding up there was a dome firmament 84 00:03:29,890 --> 00:03:26,930 that sort of thing and that the land was 85 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:29,900 flat so yeah that initial reaction was 86 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:32,090 like yeah that this is a joke and I 87 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:34,370 actually set out like most people I set 88 00:03:38,740 --> 00:03:36,290 out to say okay well I'm just gonna 89 00:03:40,930 --> 00:03:38,750 debunk this or whatever and then after 90 00:03:43,119 --> 00:03:40,940 it didn't take long like I said maybe a 91 00:03:45,580 --> 00:03:43,129 day or two and I was head first into 92 00:03:47,770 --> 00:03:45,590 exploring this and that's led up to 93 00:03:50,530 --> 00:03:47,780 talking to me do you hear me talking do 94 00:03:52,630 --> 00:03:50,540 you today yeah right oh man for sure 95 00:03:54,789 --> 00:03:52,640 it's funny because neither one of us has 96 00:03:57,910 --> 00:03:54,799 a problem discussing it regardless of 97 00:03:59,650 --> 00:03:57,920 how far we go with it but it is such a 98 00:04:02,530 --> 00:03:59,660 polarizing topic what are your thoughts 99 00:04:05,170 --> 00:04:02,540 on how it's been received because just 100 00:04:07,509 --> 00:04:05,180 the aggressive emotional response it 101 00:04:10,390 --> 00:04:07,519 tends to stir up seems to have been a 102 00:04:12,789 --> 00:04:10,400 big part of your commentary on it up to 103 00:04:14,650 --> 00:04:12,799 this point at least what about that 104 00:04:16,870 --> 00:04:14,660 aspect would you say is worth mentioning 105 00:04:18,670 --> 00:04:16,880 well I mean it is a polarizing subject 106 00:04:21,190 --> 00:04:18,680 because you're asking I mean it's the 107 00:04:23,290 --> 00:04:21,200 one it's a it's a trigger it's the the 108 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:23,300 subject itself as a trigger subject it's 109 00:04:28,390 --> 00:04:26,690 because it's such an easy thing to start 110 00:04:30,339 --> 00:04:28,400 a conversation with hey I think the 111 00:04:32,379 --> 00:04:30,349 earth is flat well immediately people 112 00:04:34,390 --> 00:04:32,389 it's not like when I I said in that 113 00:04:37,629 --> 00:04:34,400 video like when you when I start talking 114 00:04:40,540 --> 00:04:37,639 to people about sacred geometry gamaya 115 00:04:42,550 --> 00:04:40,550 tria numerology religions and their ties 116 00:04:44,230 --> 00:04:42,560 to mathematics and secret societies and 117 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:44,240 their ties to language and mapping all 118 00:04:48,370 --> 00:04:45,770 of these subjects people don't really 119 00:04:50,469 --> 00:04:48,380 have a grip on or a grasp up really and 120 00:04:51,909 --> 00:04:50,479 so it's really easy for somebody to just 121 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:51,919 dismiss that and not even pay any 122 00:04:55,510 --> 00:04:53,810 attention but when you we go to somebody 123 00:04:56,620 --> 00:04:55,520 and say hey I believe that the earth is 124 00:04:59,110 --> 00:04:56,630 flat or this is something I'm 125 00:05:00,580 --> 00:04:59,120 considering immediately that can get 126 00:05:01,930 --> 00:05:00,590 their attention because it's something 127 00:05:04,540 --> 00:05:01,940 that they've known the whole their whole 128 00:05:06,399 --> 00:05:04,550 life they've been told 1492 Columbus 129 00:05:07,719 --> 00:05:06,409 sailed the ocean blue everybody thought 130 00:05:09,939 --> 00:05:07,729 it was flat he 131 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:09,949 proved it was wrong around and so what's 132 00:05:14,260 --> 00:05:11,210 this thing that gets people's attention 133 00:05:16,329 --> 00:05:14,270 right away so it is a polarizing subject 134 00:05:18,010 --> 00:05:16,339 in in that respect because it was made 135 00:05:20,950 --> 00:05:18,020 to be polarizing our quote-unquote 136 00:05:22,510 --> 00:05:20,960 educational indoctrination curriculum as 137 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:22,520 is made of polarizing 138 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:24,770 it really has and you mentioned the 139 00:05:28,149 --> 00:05:26,330 cultures maybe you can elaborate on that 140 00:05:30,820 --> 00:05:28,159 a little bit because a lot of ancient 141 00:05:32,469 --> 00:05:30,830 cultures that we oftentimes in the 142 00:05:35,219 --> 00:05:32,479 alternative community put up on a 143 00:05:37,390 --> 00:05:35,229 pedestal for one reason or another their 144 00:05:39,369 --> 00:05:37,400 architecture or their measurements and 145 00:05:41,290 --> 00:05:39,379 calendars a lot of them believe the 146 00:05:43,029 --> 00:05:41,300 earth was flat and when we're busy 147 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:43,039 saying how advanced and sometimes 148 00:05:47,379 --> 00:05:45,050 superior they were we do ignore that 149 00:05:49,540 --> 00:05:47,389 fact I obviously see the argument that 150 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:49,550 we just give them a pass because they 151 00:05:53,469 --> 00:05:51,110 didn't have modern telescopes or 152 00:05:55,540 --> 00:05:53,479 technology but it doesn't change what 153 00:05:58,299 --> 00:05:55,550 they thought and if I'm going to be fair 154 00:05:59,799 --> 00:05:58,309 about it and if it's a deception it 155 00:06:01,480 --> 00:05:59,809 hasn't been that long because as a 156 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:01,490 people we've thought the earth was flat 157 00:06:06,219 --> 00:06:03,289 far longer than we believed it was 158 00:06:09,070 --> 00:06:06,229 around right yeah much much longer this 159 00:06:10,389 --> 00:06:09,080 is one that I actually had snowing for a 160 00:06:11,829 --> 00:06:10,399 long time knowing that a lot of these 161 00:06:14,469 --> 00:06:11,839 cultures thought it was flat I actually 162 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:14,479 had a lot light a hard time for instance 163 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:16,490 the Egyptians the Egyptians absolutely 164 00:06:20,260 --> 00:06:18,889 believed as far as I've read and knew 165 00:06:20,529 --> 00:06:20,270 this for a long time that the earth was 166 00:06:22,570 --> 00:06:20,539 flat 167 00:06:24,459 --> 00:06:22,580 it was held up that the involve of the 168 00:06:25,629 --> 00:06:24,469 sky was held up by four like mountains 169 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:25,639 or pillars or whatever that sort of 170 00:06:30,010 --> 00:06:26,810 thing but they thought the earth was 171 00:06:33,249 --> 00:06:30,020 flat and so I had a I've talked about 172 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:33,259 how the Great Pyramid of Giza is a 1:1 173 00:06:37,510 --> 00:06:35,360 scale model of the atmosphere of the 174 00:06:40,119 --> 00:06:37,520 earth and so it's like well how can you 175 00:06:41,709 --> 00:06:40,129 reconcile those things right if you say 176 00:06:43,269 --> 00:06:41,719 that the Great Pyramid of Giza is one 177 00:06:44,829 --> 00:06:43,279 scale model the earth and this actually 178 00:06:46,749 --> 00:06:44,839 this doesn't come for me this comes from 179 00:06:48,790 --> 00:06:46,759 other researchers guys like Randall 180 00:06:51,579 --> 00:06:48,800 Carlson and John Michell and Scot 181 00:06:52,629 --> 00:06:51,589 onstott and cats like this when you talk 182 00:06:54,159 --> 00:06:52,639 about that it's like well how can you 183 00:06:55,029 --> 00:06:54,169 say that if they actually thought the 184 00:06:56,679 --> 00:06:55,039 earth was flat so that obviously 185 00:06:59,230 --> 00:06:56,689 whatever the Great Pyramid of Giza is 186 00:07:00,909 --> 00:06:59,240 the measurements of it do not are not of 187 00:07:02,589 --> 00:07:00,919 a hemisphere of the earth so what are 188 00:07:04,540 --> 00:07:02,599 they so the Egyptians thought the earth 189 00:07:05,230 --> 00:07:04,550 is flat the Hindus absolutely thought 190 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:05,240 the earth was flat 191 00:07:10,179 --> 00:07:07,370 the Mayans absolutely thought the earth 192 00:07:12,129 --> 00:07:10,189 was flat numerous numerous historians 193 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:12,139 and researchers would tell you that many 194 00:07:15,699 --> 00:07:13,610 of the native cultures on in the 195 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:15,709 Americas firmly believed that the earth 196 00:07:21,059 --> 00:07:19,250 was a flat land mass and movable so we 197 00:07:23,219 --> 00:07:21,069 have to look at all these cultures and 198 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:23,229 at least for me if I given them the 199 00:07:28,559 --> 00:07:25,930 respect of looking at their histories 200 00:07:31,049 --> 00:07:28,569 their mythology's their rituals some of 201 00:07:32,489 --> 00:07:31,059 the gods that they've passed on but that 202 00:07:34,950 --> 00:07:32,499 sort of thing well then I have to give 203 00:07:35,609 --> 00:07:34,960 credence to this as well right I think 204 00:07:38,579 --> 00:07:35,619 so 205 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:38,589 now you know being a convert you're 206 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:40,449 talking to a lot of people who probably 207 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:42,430 aren't but what do you find to be some 208 00:07:45,329 --> 00:07:43,930 of the most convincing evidence of it 209 00:07:47,489 --> 00:07:45,339 what were the things that really got you 210 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:47,499 well let me say this too I'm not 211 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:50,110 necessarily a convert and in one way I 212 00:07:54,389 --> 00:07:52,330 will say this though that and this is 213 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:54,399 something I mentioned in the video is 214 00:08:00,089 --> 00:07:57,490 that I can no longer argue for the 215 00:08:02,219 --> 00:08:00,099 heliocentric system that there are if 216 00:08:03,389 --> 00:08:02,229 you know you go a B you know if you look 217 00:08:05,700 --> 00:08:03,399 at the heliocentric and you look at a 218 00:08:07,980 --> 00:08:05,710 geocentric system and then you say will 219 00:08:10,079 --> 00:08:07,990 prove the heliocentric system I can't 220 00:08:11,909 --> 00:08:10,089 anymore there's nothing that there's 221 00:08:13,860 --> 00:08:11,919 literally the amount of anomalies and 222 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:13,870 paradoxes and things like that in the 223 00:08:18,899 --> 00:08:16,449 heliocentric system Trump the ones in a 224 00:08:21,179 --> 00:08:18,909 geocentric system there are still a ton 225 00:08:23,189 --> 00:08:21,189 of questions that I have surrounding 226 00:08:25,709 --> 00:08:23,199 Flat Earth and the mechanics of it is a 227 00:08:28,230 --> 00:08:25,719 completely flat is it a dome or is it 228 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:28,240 infinite plane how do you know certain 229 00:08:32,309 --> 00:08:29,770 mechanics work these sorts of things so 230 00:08:34,620 --> 00:08:32,319 I'm just more open to the discussion now 231 00:08:37,050 --> 00:08:34,630 but I will say this that as far as I can 232 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:37,060 tell from my own terrestrial scientific 233 00:08:42,139 --> 00:08:39,490 investigation you know of this earth 234 00:08:44,189 --> 00:08:42,149 that it does appear absolutely flat 235 00:08:46,470 --> 00:08:44,199 everything that I've seen though I've 236 00:08:47,730 --> 00:08:46,480 only seen a small chunk of this plane or 237 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:47,740 planet or whatever the hell you want to 238 00:08:53,910 --> 00:08:50,889 call it from what I gather it is it is 239 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:53,920 flat and not or if it is you know 240 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:55,690 spherical it's a much bigger sphere than 241 00:08:59,600 --> 00:08:57,730 they've been telling us so either way 242 00:09:03,120 --> 00:08:59,610 I'm open to the discussion and I know 243 00:09:05,430 --> 00:09:03,130 this for sure that the people in power 244 00:09:07,410 --> 00:09:05,440 that have indoctrinated us and things 245 00:09:10,110 --> 00:09:07,420 like that are absolutely hiding things I 246 00:09:11,939 --> 00:09:10,120 mean I I make the analogy to 9/11 I 247 00:09:13,350 --> 00:09:11,949 don't know what happened on 9/11 but I 248 00:09:15,569 --> 00:09:13,360 know for sure that what the government 249 00:09:16,889 --> 00:09:15,579 told us isn't incorrect you know so I 250 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:16,899 say the same thing with the Flat Earth 251 00:09:20,370 --> 00:09:18,490 and I tried to I try to bring some 252 00:09:22,019 --> 00:09:20,380 reason to that discussion and and not 253 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:22,029 just be like well it's flat [\h__\h] you 254 00:09:25,980 --> 00:09:24,010 this is how it is you know it just 255 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:25,990 doesn't do any good in my opinion right 256 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:28,870 and that's needed because people are 257 00:09:33,210 --> 00:09:30,970 very aggressive on this topic but that 258 00:09:34,769 --> 00:09:33,220 is fair I definitely don't want to label 259 00:09:36,929 --> 00:09:34,779 you something you aren't I 260 00:09:38,850 --> 00:09:36,939 would say I'm right there with you I'm 261 00:09:42,030 --> 00:09:38,860 kind of earth shape agnostic at this 262 00:09:44,069 --> 00:09:42,040 point which is really going pretty far 263 00:09:45,869 --> 00:09:44,079 already you know just I wouldn't have 264 00:09:47,759 --> 00:09:45,879 thought that a year ago I would even be 265 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:47,769 saying something like that but when it 266 00:09:52,740 --> 00:09:50,170 comes to the the evidence one thing that 267 00:09:55,290 --> 00:09:52,750 I have seen is that being right here on 268 00:09:57,329 --> 00:09:55,300 the coast people always talk about oh 269 00:09:59,069 --> 00:09:57,339 well when when a ship goes out and it 270 00:10:01,800 --> 00:09:59,079 disappears it's because it goes below 271 00:10:03,420 --> 00:10:01,810 the horizon well I have seen that when 272 00:10:06,119 --> 00:10:03,430 it goes out of your view you can take a 273 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:06,129 camera with a good zoom zoom in and see 274 00:10:10,439 --> 00:10:09,100 that ship again so I don't know that's 275 00:10:13,230 --> 00:10:10,449 one of the things that got me the other 276 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:13,240 one it's in your video is when you take 277 00:10:19,019 --> 00:10:15,850 a camera in a balloon and you send it up 278 00:10:22,110 --> 00:10:19,029 there and you see the Sun over the ocean 279 00:10:25,110 --> 00:10:22,120 and there's that big hot spot and we're 280 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:25,120 told that it's 93 million miles away but 281 00:10:29,850 --> 00:10:27,610 it's putting a spot right below it like 282 00:10:31,350 --> 00:10:29,860 a light bulb what if it was that close I 283 00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:31,360 don't know yeah that's the kind of 284 00:10:35,819 --> 00:10:33,040 things that have me stuck in the gray 285 00:10:36,869 --> 00:10:35,829 yeah and it's it's it's okay to question 286 00:10:38,249 --> 00:10:36,879 these things that's the other thing I 287 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:38,259 brought up in the video is like is there 288 00:10:42,210 --> 00:10:40,240 anything wrong with fundamentally 289 00:10:45,299 --> 00:10:42,220 questioning things that we've been told 290 00:10:46,829 --> 00:10:45,309 whatever that is I mean I've done I've 291 00:10:48,449 --> 00:10:46,839 done this for a long time with 292 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:48,459 mathematics and language and the 293 00:10:52,139 --> 00:10:50,290 religions where it's like I just went 294 00:10:53,819 --> 00:10:52,149 head-on and questioned everything that 295 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:53,829 they were saying and I came to my own 296 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:55,569 conclusions and I think the conclusions 297 00:10:59,939 --> 00:10:57,490 at least for me personally that I've 298 00:11:01,980 --> 00:10:59,949 come to have been extremely illuminating 299 00:11:04,170 --> 00:11:01,990 and changed my life in ways I would have 300 00:11:06,569 --> 00:11:04,180 never thought possible so is almost like 301 00:11:08,189 --> 00:11:06,579 this rebellious autodidactic sort of way 302 00:11:10,199 --> 00:11:08,199 of looking at these things well what's 303 00:11:12,059 --> 00:11:10,209 so wrong with doing that with the shape 304 00:11:15,389 --> 00:11:12,069 of the earth there were certain things 305 00:11:17,730 --> 00:11:15,399 that yeah like once I once I grasped how 306 00:11:20,369 --> 00:11:17,740 especially since there was a model there 307 00:11:22,049 --> 00:11:20,379 wouldn't have been a model to go to and 308 00:11:24,179 --> 00:11:22,059 actually say hey well this is what the 309 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:24,189 the Jin general how the Sun works and 310 00:11:27,210 --> 00:11:26,170 how the moon works and a flat plane you 311 00:11:29,220 --> 00:11:27,220 know we have a history of these things 312 00:11:31,470 --> 00:11:29,230 if I wouldn't have had that then it 313 00:11:33,809 --> 00:11:31,480 might be a difficult thing to try to 314 00:11:35,999 --> 00:11:33,819 tackle but since there was that I could 315 00:11:38,610 --> 00:11:36,009 actually look and okay what am I seeing 316 00:11:41,249 --> 00:11:38,620 here is this the Sun coming at me and 317 00:11:41,769 --> 00:11:41,259 and to you know turning in a around a 318 00:11:43,989 --> 00:11:41,779 central 319 00:11:45,819 --> 00:11:43,999 poll and is it coming at me you know 320 00:11:48,189 --> 00:11:45,829 according to the laws of perspective or 321 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:48,199 is that or am i spinning on a ball a 322 00:11:51,999 --> 00:11:49,970 thousand miles an hour and that thing's 323 00:11:53,710 --> 00:11:52,009 93 million miles away well when it comes 324 00:11:55,420 --> 00:11:53,720 to terrestrial science things that you 325 00:11:56,949 --> 00:11:55,430 can actually verify yourself I couldn't 326 00:11:59,470 --> 00:11:56,959 verify anything in the heliocentric 327 00:12:01,569 --> 00:11:59,480 model so so yeah I mean it's things like 328 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:01,579 that that I think people that come to 329 00:12:06,429 --> 00:12:03,889 this come to this subject and they start 330 00:12:08,319 --> 00:12:06,439 asking those questions they a lot of 331 00:12:09,579 --> 00:12:08,329 them like I said a lot of people wanted 332 00:12:11,230 --> 00:12:09,589 to debunk it and they end up coming to 333 00:12:12,670 --> 00:12:11,240 the same conclusions as well this makes 334 00:12:14,319 --> 00:12:12,680 a lot of sense and it's things I can 335 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:14,329 verify which is what science is supposed 336 00:12:19,749 --> 00:12:16,370 to be you know it bear verifiability 337 00:12:22,030 --> 00:12:19,759 repeatability experiments investigations 338 00:12:23,499 --> 00:12:22,040 research and verify that stuff and of 339 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:23,509 course this is honestly what we're doing 340 00:12:28,030 --> 00:12:26,569 at well said absolutely and I am very 341 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:28,040 much willing to have the conversation to 342 00:12:32,889 --> 00:12:30,170 and I can't commit but the common ground 343 00:12:35,860 --> 00:12:32,899 that I enjoy most with Flat Earth folks 344 00:12:37,739 --> 00:12:35,870 is the distrust for the various bricks 345 00:12:40,809 --> 00:12:37,749 in the power pyramid and especially 346 00:12:43,869 --> 00:12:40,819 dismantling the lies of NASA that to me 347 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:43,879 is the most fun thing about it you know 348 00:12:48,249 --> 00:12:45,649 more so than the actual shape of the 349 00:12:49,929 --> 00:12:48,259 earth but this was a big part of the 350 00:12:51,999 --> 00:12:49,939 process for you to write I mean you've 351 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:52,009 looked hard at NASA and you see it full 352 00:12:56,470 --> 00:12:53,689 of holes like Swiss cheese right 353 00:12:58,749 --> 00:12:56,480 yeah and that that was so quick to I 354 00:13:00,490 --> 00:12:58,759 mean I the thing about NASA's I never 355 00:13:02,829 --> 00:13:00,500 really paid attention to it that much 356 00:13:05,170 --> 00:13:02,839 because it was just another government 357 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:05,180 organization I just assumed that just 358 00:13:08,350 --> 00:13:06,170 like every other girl from an 359 00:13:10,420 --> 00:13:08,360 organization that 10% of what they were 360 00:13:12,790 --> 00:13:10,430 doing might be have some legitimacy in 361 00:13:14,199 --> 00:13:12,800 90% of it was all [\h__\h] you know like 362 00:13:16,869 --> 00:13:14,209 I never thought we went to the moon I 363 00:13:18,910 --> 00:13:16,879 never believed that there was a rover on 364 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:18,920 Mars you know did I consider that there 365 00:13:22,749 --> 00:13:20,689 was some sort of telescope or something 366 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:22,759 like a Hubble up there yeah possibly but 367 00:13:26,619 --> 00:13:24,649 I thought it was just another you know 368 00:13:27,790 --> 00:13:26,629 to be honest just another place where 369 00:13:30,220 --> 00:13:27,800 they could funnel money into doing 370 00:13:32,889 --> 00:13:30,230 whatever nefarious and evil [\h__\h] that 371 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:32,899 they do you know when it turns out no 372 00:13:36,699 --> 00:13:34,370 they were actually using it as a branch 373 00:13:38,319 --> 00:13:36,709 of the military to as you know a tool of 374 00:13:39,069 --> 00:13:38,329 propaganda mass propaganda and that's 375 00:13:42,220 --> 00:13:39,079 exactly what it is 376 00:13:44,769 --> 00:13:42,230 so NASA that took it didn't take long 377 00:13:46,929 --> 00:13:44,779 all you have to do is investigate it for 378 00:13:48,489 --> 00:13:46,939 a few days and you can see in numerous 379 00:13:50,980 --> 00:13:48,499 problems with the things that they're 380 00:13:53,079 --> 00:13:50,990 presenting to us and how no one can 381 00:13:53,810 --> 00:13:53,089 verify any of it you have to trust them 382 00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:53,820 and of course 383 00:13:58,490 --> 00:13:56,220 as we know as ever probably every guest 384 00:13:59,810 --> 00:13:58,500 you've ever had hon says you can't trust 385 00:14:01,850 --> 00:13:59,820 the government right I mean what's the 386 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:01,860 what's the age-old adage that you know 387 00:14:05,030 --> 00:14:03,210 your parents told you you know there's 388 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:05,040 two people that you can't trust lawyers 389 00:14:11,090 --> 00:14:07,290 and politicians isn't it funny that most 390 00:14:13,850 --> 00:14:11,100 politicians are lawyers good point good 391 00:14:16,010 --> 00:14:13,860 point and for the people who maybe 392 00:14:17,810 --> 00:14:16,020 haven't seen your your video we've 393 00:14:20,060 --> 00:14:17,820 talked about a lot of problems with the 394 00:14:22,820 --> 00:14:20,070 things NASA puts out but the Hubble what 395 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:22,830 is it about the Hubble that now has you 396 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:24,990 doubting that it exists because that 397 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:27,450 might be one of the most accepted things 398 00:14:32,180 --> 00:14:29,910 that NASA has done so far well I mean 399 00:14:34,070 --> 00:14:32,190 just the whole space in and of itself 400 00:14:35,660 --> 00:14:34,080 verifying any of that is you know 401 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:35,670 substantiate anything they're saying 402 00:14:40,370 --> 00:14:38,430 there the existence of gravity I mean 403 00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:40,380 okay here's here's one that I find 404 00:14:44,090 --> 00:14:42,420 that's so interesting like I mean the 405 00:14:46,340 --> 00:14:44,100 the International Space Station is 406 00:14:49,010 --> 00:14:46,350 supposedly what 250 300 miles up there 407 00:14:51,170 --> 00:14:49,020 it's traveling at 17,500 miles an hour 408 00:14:53,630 --> 00:14:51,180 in the thermosphere that gets up to 409 00:14:55,370 --> 00:14:53,640 several thousand degrees Fahrenheit or 410 00:14:57,140 --> 00:14:55,380 Celsius it doesn't even matter at that 411 00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:57,150 point it gets really effing hot up there 412 00:15:02,930 --> 00:15:00,480 this is considered that as like one of 413 00:15:05,540 --> 00:15:02,940 the greatest engineering feats man has 414 00:15:07,310 --> 00:15:05,550 ever done to be able to go and piece by 415 00:15:09,530 --> 00:15:07,320 piece and put that thing together and 416 00:15:11,420 --> 00:15:09,540 then make it run why don't we have any 417 00:15:13,310 --> 00:15:11,430 footage of that why is there not a 418 00:15:14,810 --> 00:15:13,320 documentary on that why shouldn't it 419 00:15:16,610 --> 00:15:14,820 like when that whole thing was happening 420 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:16,620 when it was I'm guessing what mid 90s 421 00:15:20,090 --> 00:15:18,090 early 90s I don't even know the history 422 00:15:21,770 --> 00:15:20,100 of it but why don't we have why wasn't 423 00:15:24,410 --> 00:15:21,780 there well feed showing these guys 424 00:15:27,230 --> 00:15:24,420 putting this stuff together at 17,500 425 00:15:29,750 --> 00:15:27,240 miles an hour it's things like that that 426 00:15:31,790 --> 00:15:29,760 there's just nothing just hardly 427 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:31,800 anything to prove that that thing is 428 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:34,650 even up there so right Union we look at 429 00:15:39,620 --> 00:15:36,570 that like okay explain to me how any 430 00:15:41,620 --> 00:15:39,630 sort of metals even exist up there let 431 00:15:44,750 --> 00:15:41,630 alone how does it handle traveling 432 00:15:47,330 --> 00:15:44,760 17,500 miles an hour never hits any 433 00:15:50,510 --> 00:15:47,340 debris never hits a saddle I mean and 434 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:50,520 and I'm really what I did with the the 435 00:15:53,270 --> 00:15:52,410 movie was try to sum up the discussion 436 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:53,280 as best as I could 437 00:15:56,630 --> 00:15:55,050 that's really what I wanted to do that 438 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:56,640 was the impetus behind the movie was to 439 00:16:00,500 --> 00:15:58,530 like bring the discussion and bring some 440 00:16:02,990 --> 00:16:00,510 balance to it not tell you how it is and 441 00:16:05,390 --> 00:16:03,000 just lay out hey why are people thinking 442 00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:05,400 this why are people looking into this 443 00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:09,510 and that I mean the thing about that 444 00:16:14,450 --> 00:16:11,760 what I came to is that you can't verify 445 00:16:16,130 --> 00:16:14,460 any of this stuff you just can't so what 446 00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:16,140 does that say what does what does that 447 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:18,800 say about science in general are these 448 00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:22,770 erudite NASA scientific priests are we 449 00:16:26,990 --> 00:16:24,480 just supposed to prostrate to them or 450 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:27,000 what right another couple of good points 451 00:16:30,740 --> 00:16:29,370 you make about NASA and conventional 452 00:16:32,750 --> 00:16:30,750 American politics whether you're on the 453 00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:32,760 left of the right there's always someone 454 00:16:36,770 --> 00:16:34,710 who's critical of an organization and 455 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:36,780 the other side is in support but when it 456 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:39,690 comes to NASA it's everyone across the 457 00:16:43,460 --> 00:16:40,370 board 458 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:43,470 unwavering religious acceptance of 459 00:16:47,930 --> 00:16:45,570 everything they say and do and that's a 460 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:47,940 bit of a red flag as well as the moon 461 00:16:52,430 --> 00:16:49,890 landing the the whole moon landing thing 462 00:16:56,030 --> 00:16:52,440 which I think has been thoroughly shown 463 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:56,040 to be stagecraft was only 11 years after 464 00:17:00,590 --> 00:16:57,570 NASA was funded and if they're willing 465 00:17:02,900 --> 00:17:00,600 to do something that's that elaborate of 466 00:17:04,340 --> 00:17:02,910 a forgery just 11 years into their 467 00:17:06,140 --> 00:17:04,350 existence I mean what does that say 468 00:17:07,820 --> 00:17:06,150 about the organization as a whole I mean 469 00:17:10,430 --> 00:17:07,830 I think it says everything that needs to 470 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:10,440 be said right I mean what more what more 471 00:17:15,380 --> 00:17:13,410 do you want to say it's just I mean it's 472 00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:15,390 yet it's once again the government's 473 00:17:19,550 --> 00:17:17,520 screwing the people and one thing I 474 00:17:23,210 --> 00:17:19,560 didn't really bring up which the other 475 00:17:25,370 --> 00:17:23,220 work that I do like covers but one thing 476 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:25,380 I try to like repeat is that our world 477 00:17:29,180 --> 00:17:27,089 is run by a cultists man 478 00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:29,190 these are eclectus these are people who 479 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:32,820 are masters of language and symbol and 480 00:17:37,310 --> 00:17:35,760 numbers and reality and science and they 481 00:17:38,780 --> 00:17:37,320 know how to manipulate it I mean I've 482 00:17:39,980 --> 00:17:38,790 been saying this with the language for a 483 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:39,990 long time I've been saying this about 484 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:41,250 the religions for a long time I've been 485 00:17:45,650 --> 00:17:43,410 saying this about the math for a long 486 00:17:48,590 --> 00:17:45,660 time and so when we see this happening 487 00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:48,600 with NASA it's just yeah of course when 488 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:50,580 we the other thing about you know these 489 00:17:54,380 --> 00:17:52,650 Dario cultists you have to understand 490 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:54,390 this is something I repeat all the time 491 00:17:58,970 --> 00:17:56,490 - is that the occult isn't necessarily 492 00:18:01,130 --> 00:17:58,980 evil you have evil a cultists in charge 493 00:18:02,810 --> 00:18:01,140 yeah but the same information that 494 00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,820 they're using to manipulate you is the 495 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:04,320 same information that's going to free 496 00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:07,230 you it's it's you know that's I think 497 00:18:09,770 --> 00:18:09,120 there's just a truth there I just posted 498 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:09,780 this thing 499 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:11,610 a couple days ago there's just a quote 500 00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:13,290 that I came up with and it said you know 501 00:18:17,950 --> 00:18:16,380 go young seeker go dig dig down deep 502 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:17,960 through our occulted world 503 00:18:21,940 --> 00:18:19,730 go mining and spelunking into what has 504 00:18:24,039 --> 00:18:21,950 been hidden but know this the further 505 00:18:26,169 --> 00:18:24,049 you go into the darkness the more light 506 00:18:28,810 --> 00:18:26,179 you're gonna need the same place where 507 00:18:30,430 --> 00:18:28,820 you go to find how evil and terrible 508 00:18:32,889 --> 00:18:30,440 these people are is the same place 509 00:18:34,930 --> 00:18:32,899 you're gonna find the the snake that bit 510 00:18:36,460 --> 00:18:34,940 you is that's where you're gonna find 511 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:36,470 the anti-venom you know what I mean yeah 512 00:18:43,419 --> 00:18:41,090 yeah poetic man and I also know that 513 00:18:45,370 --> 00:18:43,429 you're a fan of many of the great 514 00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:45,380 thinkers of the past I mean how is this 515 00:18:51,970 --> 00:18:47,929 affected the way you view guys like 516 00:18:55,330 --> 00:18:51,980 Copernicus or Pythagoras or Galileo well 517 00:18:56,919 --> 00:18:55,340 I mean I I mean I I've never really been 518 00:18:58,750 --> 00:18:56,929 like that big of a fan of these guys you 519 00:19:00,730 --> 00:18:58,760 know what I mean as far as like I mean 520 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:00,740 it's like just because you point out 521 00:19:03,730 --> 00:19:02,450 somebody has you know has done some 522 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:03,740 things in the past or whatever but it's 523 00:19:08,380 --> 00:19:05,330 not like I was you know Galileo was a 524 00:19:10,330 --> 00:19:08,390 hero of my like it was for maybe like 525 00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:10,340 Steven Hawkings or something like that 526 00:19:15,250 --> 00:19:12,590 better the other thing about when you 527 00:19:17,769 --> 00:19:15,260 say like like I've used the quote all 528 00:19:19,539 --> 00:19:17,779 this number pythagoras said right well 529 00:19:22,750 --> 00:19:19,549 people have said like Pythagoras was 530 00:19:23,260 --> 00:19:22,760 like a sphere earth or whatever just so 531 00:19:25,210 --> 00:19:23,270 you know 532 00:19:28,690 --> 00:19:25,220 Pythagoras might probably didn't even 533 00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:28,700 exist in fact I did a whole broadcast 534 00:19:33,580 --> 00:19:31,039 not a whole broadcast but a good portion 535 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:33,590 of a broadcast on 42 minutes over at the 536 00:19:37,180 --> 00:19:35,510 sink book talking to Douglas Bowles 537 00:19:38,860 --> 00:19:37,190 about how we there was he was actually 538 00:19:41,289 --> 00:19:38,870 quoting from this other book about how 539 00:19:43,899 --> 00:19:41,299 Pythagoras was probably more like a 540 00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:43,909 mythological character that there was 541 00:19:46,990 --> 00:19:45,440 just a group of people that created this 542 00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:47,000 sort of like whatever you want to call 543 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:49,520 enlightened human being and that this 544 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:51,950 was a Pythagoras and so when we say uh 545 00:19:55,659 --> 00:19:53,570 Pythagoras he you know he was a 546 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:55,669 heliocentric - whatever dude you don't 547 00:20:00,490 --> 00:19:58,490 even know if that guy existed it's like 548 00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:00,500 when people argue about Jesus's birthday 549 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:02,510 it's like well Noah was on September 550 00:20:06,909 --> 00:20:04,610 11th man was you know it's like dude we 551 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:06,919 don't even know if that guy lived so are 552 00:20:10,779 --> 00:20:08,450 you really going to have some grand 553 00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,789 argument over these things or are we 554 00:20:14,980 --> 00:20:12,799 just going to you know take what we know 555 00:20:15,820 --> 00:20:14,990 and and and try to find the truth as 556 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:15,830 best as we can 557 00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,710 so um I don't it's not like I've looked 558 00:20:21,460 --> 00:20:20,480 back and be like oh I was following the 559 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:21,470 wrong people or anything because I 560 00:20:24,490 --> 00:20:22,730 wouldn't you know I was following what 561 00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:24,500 was in my heart and following truth some 562 00:20:28,510 --> 00:20:26,720 period yeah I mean that makes sense but 563 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:28,520 it just has me curious because I think 564 00:20:34,940 --> 00:20:31,530 if the Flat Earth model is the correct 565 00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:34,950 model and we've been tricked into a Big 566 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:38,880 Bang heliocentric randomized universe 567 00:20:44,060 --> 00:20:41,310 type of model it just makes me wonder 568 00:20:47,930 --> 00:20:44,070 are these people deceivers you know like 569 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:47,940 I've kind of wanted to deconstruct the 570 00:20:52,190 --> 00:20:50,610 globe models implementation and rise and 571 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:52,200 kind of see because I think there might 572 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:55,410 be clues there into not only is it 573 00:20:59,090 --> 00:20:57,690 really a manipulation and obviously who 574 00:21:01,250 --> 00:20:59,100 would be behind it how did it get 575 00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:01,260 implemented so those are kind of curious 576 00:21:04,850 --> 00:21:02,400 things to me I don't know how much 577 00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,860 you've dug into that aspect of it well 578 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:06,960 this is the problem I have with history 579 00:21:10,790 --> 00:21:09,210 is that we know history is made by the 580 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:10,800 winners you know for lack of a better 581 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:13,530 term that history is full of lies it's 582 00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,570 constantly full of ice it's constantly 583 00:21:19,730 --> 00:21:17,520 being manipulated it's constantly being 584 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:19,740 distorted I mean whatever you think 585 00:21:24,740 --> 00:21:22,290 about like a Poorna kiss or whatever 586 00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:24,750 that book was released on his deathbed 587 00:21:29,150 --> 00:21:27,120 so who the [\h__\h] to say that guy even 588 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:29,160 wrote that you know what I'm saying 589 00:21:33,860 --> 00:21:32,430 Henry Cavendish right Henry I talked 590 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:33,870 about Henry Cavendish was the guy that 591 00:21:38,450 --> 00:21:36,210 supposedly created or found the 592 00:21:40,550 --> 00:21:38,460 gravitational constant big Qi well 593 00:21:42,140 --> 00:21:40,560 supposedly his manuscripts and stuff 594 00:21:44,590 --> 00:21:42,150 weren't even found till he was dead 595 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:44,600 right so who's to say that's like Oh 596 00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:46,710 Copernicus and Cavendish were part of 597 00:21:50,690 --> 00:21:48,780 some grand conspiracy or they were just 598 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:50,700 tools they were just tools they were 599 00:21:54,170 --> 00:21:52,410 what do they call me useful idiots or 600 00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:54,180 whatever you want to say that there's 601 00:21:57,230 --> 00:21:55,590 somebody that wanted manipulate history 602 00:22:00,170 --> 00:21:57,240 and evil dark occultist came along and 603 00:22:01,670 --> 00:22:00,180 said nah well we'll distort this so I 604 00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,680 mean how much of that has happened in 605 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:03,840 our history most of it we could say that 606 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:06,810 most of our history is like that and so 607 00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:08,370 it's and we since we don't have an 608 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:10,260 objective record of history it's really 609 00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:12,510 hard for us to come back through 500 610 00:22:16,670 --> 00:22:15,030 years a thousand years and say well this 611 00:22:18,860 --> 00:22:16,680 is exactly what happened we can't trust 612 00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:18,870 this character because history told us 613 00:22:24,610 --> 00:22:20,700 this well that's a dangerous room to go 614 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:24,620 down it is is and that Copernicus 615 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:27,210 anecdote is interesting and it parallels 616 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:28,530 something we've talked about recently 617 00:22:34,430 --> 00:22:31,170 with Stephen Hawking the tark 618 00:22:36,650 --> 00:22:34,440 possibility that he's not saying what 619 00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,660 his computer says he's saying and that 620 00:22:39,950 --> 00:22:38,400 you know everybody stands up in claps 621 00:22:42,620 --> 00:22:39,960 when he comes in the room and he's the 622 00:22:44,029 --> 00:22:42,630 champion of the entire scientific model 623 00:22:47,330 --> 00:22:44,039 basically everything that comes 624 00:22:49,820 --> 00:22:47,340 his mind is basically what science 625 00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:49,830 thinks and there's no guarantee that 626 00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:52,799 he's saying that yeah I mean and it 627 00:22:59,599 --> 00:22:55,440 that's dark but yeah but at the same 628 00:23:02,060 --> 00:22:59,609 time would you put it past a psychopath 629 00:23:04,099 --> 00:23:02,070 to do that right and how convenient that 630 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:04,109 the leading scientific mind can't 631 00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:06,809 actually speak his own real way he can't 632 00:23:11,899 --> 00:23:09,600 speak he can't write I mean I I'm not 633 00:23:13,999 --> 00:23:11,909 saying this or whatever but is it a 634 00:23:15,619 --> 00:23:14,009 possibility yes some people it's 635 00:23:17,299 --> 00:23:15,629 interesting even people that listen to 636 00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:17,309 the show like this would be like oh this 637 00:23:22,849 --> 00:23:20,190 is ridiculous [\h__\h] reg [\h__\h] Marty and or 638 00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:22,859 whatever I have and it's amazing how 639 00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,059 many people will not even consider 640 00:23:27,229 --> 00:23:25,919 things like this like I had this was 641 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:27,239 several years back this kind of ought 642 00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:29,129 topic but it's kind of an analogy that 643 00:23:33,289 --> 00:23:31,529 I'm a friend who's Lisa pretties a 644 00:23:34,609 --> 00:23:33,299 really smart dude you know he's pretty 645 00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:34,619 open mind and stuff like that 646 00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:37,679 and I showed him a rock obama's birth 647 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:39,629 certificate my friend my friend Dylan 648 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:41,129 just like that like I said this is six 649 00:23:44,060 --> 00:23:42,690 seven years back whatever it was he sent 650 00:23:45,289 --> 00:23:44,070 me this things like dude you got him 651 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:45,299 over and check out Barack Obama's birth 652 00:23:49,399 --> 00:23:47,129 certificate it's online at the 653 00:23:51,889 --> 00:23:49,409 government you know daca go check it out 654 00:23:53,239 --> 00:23:51,899 so I downloaded the thing and I'm like I 655 00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,249 don't I don't give a [\h__\h] where he's 656 00:23:56,899 --> 00:23:55,200 born I have no stake in that who cares I 657 00:23:58,159 --> 00:23:56,909 don't care at all it doesn't it's I'm 658 00:24:00,560 --> 00:23:58,169 not part of that conversation whatsoever 659 00:24:02,509 --> 00:24:00,570 but it interested me so I downloaded the 660 00:24:04,849 --> 00:24:02,519 thing opened it up and the thing is in 661 00:24:07,339 --> 00:24:04,859 layers which if you know the Adobe suite 662 00:24:09,739 --> 00:24:07,349 and when he was born is impossible it's 663 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:09,749 just impossible so not only is the thing 664 00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:11,369 in layers but you can actually go and 665 00:24:16,249 --> 00:24:13,289 see where the government or whoever was 666 00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:16,259 manipulated the document so I don't care 667 00:24:19,399 --> 00:24:17,700 where he's born I have no stake this 668 00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:19,409 isn't a Democrat Republican thing I just 669 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:21,299 don't give a [\h__\h] but I want to go tell 670 00:24:25,159 --> 00:24:23,369 my friend I'm like look man I work on 671 00:24:27,649 --> 00:24:25,169 the Adobe suite I've been doing this 672 00:24:30,349 --> 00:24:27,659 stuff my whole life I can tell you 100% 673 00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:30,359 that this document would out wherever he 674 00:24:34,669 --> 00:24:32,940 was born whatever is a fake and I told 675 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:34,679 him this and he just would not have it I 676 00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:36,690 could I could have shown him proof after 677 00:24:41,299 --> 00:24:38,940 proof after proof and it does not matter 678 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:41,309 it didn't matter to him because he had 679 00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:42,570 already had it in his mind that that's 680 00:24:47,899 --> 00:24:45,840 ridiculous well welcome to Flat Earth it 681 00:24:49,580 --> 00:24:47,909 is the same thing people have it in 682 00:24:51,349 --> 00:24:49,590 their mind that this is ridiculous shut 683 00:24:52,729 --> 00:24:51,359 up I'm not listening to this so it 684 00:24:54,379 --> 00:24:52,739 doesn't matter you can show improve so 685 00:24:56,629 --> 00:24:54,389 you can show hey man I've seen something 686 00:24:57,919 --> 00:24:56,639 that's 30 miles off the coast that's 687 00:24:59,389 --> 00:24:57,929 supposed to be over those 688 00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:59,399 here I can show them that hey there's no 689 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:01,080 way that we can even prove that the Sun 690 00:25:04,820 --> 00:25:02,730 is 93 million miles away or that the 691 00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:04,830 moon is a reflective let me blow below 692 00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:06,419 you can go down that and a lot of times 693 00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:08,580 it just doesn't matter because people 694 00:25:12,769 --> 00:25:10,169 they've already formed their opinions 695 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:12,779 and it's they base their entire image of 696 00:25:17,389 --> 00:25:14,850 themselves on those things and so to 697 00:25:19,460 --> 00:25:17,399 destroy them is to ask them to go 698 00:25:21,379 --> 00:25:19,470 through that process of really 699 00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:21,389 enlightenment which is a destructive 700 00:25:26,899 --> 00:25:22,980 process you know what I'm saying 701 00:25:28,820 --> 00:25:26,909 yeah absolutely and I know that as soon 702 00:25:31,489 --> 00:25:28,830 as you put that video out it's got to be 703 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:31,499 all anybody wants to talk to you about 704 00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:33,090 it's just you know I know how these 705 00:25:38,389 --> 00:25:36,059 things are and now the Flat Earth is but 706 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:38,399 you know your work about gematria has 707 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:40,529 also advanced a lot lately and I want to 708 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:41,970 make sure we talk about that too so just 709 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:44,610 to Segway into it has this seemingly 710 00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:47,129 unrelated work helped to shed light on 711 00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:49,350 NASA or the Flat Earth in any way this 712 00:25:55,489 --> 00:25:53,279 gematria work yeah actually what I plan 713 00:25:57,980 --> 00:25:55,499 to do I'm finishing the I'm actually 714 00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:57,990 taking going to for tens at work and I'm 715 00:26:00,830 --> 00:25:59,580 gonna finish my book in the next couple 716 00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:00,840 months and then after that I'm going to 717 00:26:04,879 --> 00:26:03,480 do a web series lecture series where I'm 718 00:26:06,409 --> 00:26:04,889 actually gonna stand up in front of 719 00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:06,419 people and do like 40 minutes at 720 00:26:10,399 --> 00:26:08,820 whatever of electro series in the first 721 00:26:12,259 --> 00:26:10,409 two then I've already sort of sketched 722 00:26:14,419 --> 00:26:12,269 out is I'm going to go over the cipher 723 00:26:16,009 --> 00:26:14,429 and then actually show this how it's 724 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:16,019 expressed in the UN logo which is 725 00:26:20,239 --> 00:26:17,970 supposedly well so as a monthly 726 00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,249 equidistant projection but what many 727 00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:22,080 people are claiming could be a variation 728 00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:24,600 anyway of a Flat Earth Map so I'm going 729 00:26:27,859 --> 00:26:26,070 to show how the mathematics of the 730 00:26:29,869 --> 00:26:27,869 English alphabet er encoded in that and 731 00:26:31,220 --> 00:26:29,879 so that's going to be the first video 732 00:26:33,859 --> 00:26:31,230 and then the second one I'm going to do 733 00:26:36,139 --> 00:26:33,869 a little bit on the International Space 734 00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:36,149 Station directly because there's a ton 735 00:26:41,389 --> 00:26:39,240 of esoteric [\h__\h] in that that it's just 736 00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,399 pretty amazing but it's gonna be a while 737 00:26:44,779 --> 00:26:42,960 before I do it just as I'm a busy guy 738 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:44,789 but so there has been a lot of things 739 00:26:49,129 --> 00:26:46,740 that have you know that have come out 740 00:26:50,509 --> 00:26:49,139 with the work that I'm engaged in so and 741 00:26:51,980 --> 00:26:50,519 it's pretty interesting then you know 742 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:51,990 but the other thing too is though is 743 00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:53,490 that as much as I feel like this is a 744 00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,470 great really important discussion to 745 00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:57,360 have I also don't think it's the only 746 00:27:00,980 --> 00:26:59,580 discussion I have and in the next book 747 00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,990 that I'm putting out if there's nothing 748 00:27:04,489 --> 00:27:03,360 Flat Earth in it at all because there 749 00:27:05,749 --> 00:27:04,499 you know I'd already had the book 750 00:27:06,889 --> 00:27:05,759 sketched out and there was there's no 751 00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:06,899 need to it because there's all these 752 00:27:10,570 --> 00:27:08,580 other things that I want to discuss that 753 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:10,580 to me are as infinitely import 754 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:13,450 this discussion yeah man and one 755 00:27:18,730 --> 00:27:16,370 connection I did see you make between 756 00:27:21,399 --> 00:27:18,740 gematria decipher for the English 757 00:27:25,210 --> 00:27:21,409 language and some of this stuff with 758 00:27:27,159 --> 00:27:25,220 NASA is numerically I guess the degrees 759 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:27,169 of the free Masonic Square and compass 760 00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:31,730 would be 47 for the compass and 90 for 761 00:27:39,130 --> 00:27:35,480 the square which equals 137 which is the 762 00:27:41,380 --> 00:27:39,140 same as the numerical value of National 763 00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:41,390 Aeronautics Space Administration when 764 00:27:46,539 --> 00:27:44,240 you lay it onto your cipher I mean 765 00:27:51,580 --> 00:27:46,549 that's pretty impressive right and just 766 00:27:53,769 --> 00:27:51,590 a coincidence man no I mean that shows 767 00:27:57,009 --> 00:27:53,779 you that what how cultists are running 768 00:27:59,019 --> 00:27:57,019 our world man so yeah but what you were 769 00:28:01,600 --> 00:27:59,029 saying is on the cover of the Masonic 770 00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,610 Bible I have which is just a it's just a 771 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:03,440 King James Bible it was just made by the 772 00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:05,330 Masons you know so it's the same King 773 00:28:08,889 --> 00:28:07,190 James Bible that anybody gets but they 774 00:28:10,750 --> 00:28:08,899 put some more stuff in the beginning in 775 00:28:12,909 --> 00:28:10,760 the end and there's this this that a 776 00:28:15,730 --> 00:28:12,919 freemason symbol on the cover of it and 777 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:15,740 although the compass is open 247 degrees 778 00:28:19,210 --> 00:28:17,510 well the degrees between Tropic of 779 00:28:21,930 --> 00:28:19,220 Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn no matter 780 00:28:25,299 --> 00:28:21,940 what model you look at are at 47 degrees 781 00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:25,309 so here you have the path of the Sun in 782 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:26,630 the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of 783 00:28:31,870 --> 00:28:30,049 Capricorn in the degrees of the compass 784 00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:31,880 right on the cover there and then of 785 00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:32,929 course I guess you're saying you have 786 00:28:38,350 --> 00:28:37,279 the 90 NATO 90 plus 47 is 137 and yes 787 00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:38,360 National Aeronautics and Space 788 00:28:46,210 --> 00:28:41,230 Administration equals 137 and decipher 789 00:28:49,509 --> 00:28:46,220 137 is the 33rd prime number hmm so 137 790 00:28:51,639 --> 00:28:49,519 137.5 this is the degree of phyllotaxis 791 00:28:53,889 --> 00:28:51,649 it's the degree in which plants will 792 00:28:56,139 --> 00:28:53,899 arrange their leaves around a central 793 00:28:58,450 --> 00:28:56,149 stalk in order to receive the optimal 794 00:29:01,389 --> 00:28:58,460 light and and rain and that sort of 795 00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,399 thing so here you have a singular number 796 00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,200 pointing to the number 33 and pointing 797 00:29:06,850 --> 00:29:05,120 to a fundamental architecture 798 00:29:10,210 --> 00:29:06,860 architecture within our creation and 799 00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:10,220 it's all in a symbol and so this these 800 00:29:15,159 --> 00:29:12,409 this is the level of information that 801 00:29:18,250 --> 00:29:15,169 these these dark cultist are hiding from 802 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:18,260 you and if you've seen any of the videos 803 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:20,809 that I do and read any of the books and 804 00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:23,210 things like that the and this is 805 00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,559 actually I'm speaking at the lightning 806 00:29:28,659 --> 00:29:26,720 in a bottle festival this this weekend 807 00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,669 this upcoming weekend in California and 808 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:30,559 this is actually what I'm be covering is 809 00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,110 that one of the things the main thing 810 00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,360 that these dark occultists are hiding 811 00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,279 from you is the nature of your own 812 00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:39,679 divinity is how to understand it how to 813 00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,049 verify it math with the precision and 814 00:29:46,029 --> 00:29:44,720 exactitude of mathematics and this is 815 00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:46,039 the thing that they're ultimately hiding 816 00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:47,840 from you right I've heard you put it 817 00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:50,299 brilliantly because people ask why would 818 00:29:53,409 --> 00:29:52,129 they hide the composition of the earth 819 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:53,419 well when you get into the Flat Earth 820 00:29:58,830 --> 00:29:56,210 and its implications its religious and 821 00:30:01,149 --> 00:29:58,840 spiritual implications for a creator I 822 00:30:03,639 --> 00:30:01,159 don't like those kind of questions in 823 00:30:06,879 --> 00:30:03,649 that area that I'm not comfortable there 824 00:30:09,070 --> 00:30:06,889 but you can't deny that it brings in all 825 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:09,080 these other questions and why would they 826 00:30:13,419 --> 00:30:11,090 do this well as you've put it they're 827 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:13,429 playing God they're literally replacing 828 00:30:16,570 --> 00:30:14,330 God 829 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:16,580 yes that's what they're doing I mean 830 00:30:21,129 --> 00:30:18,110 that's exactly what they're doing 831 00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:21,139 the thing is except their god isn't the 832 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:23,929 god of the great spiritual essence you 833 00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,690 know the the creator of the whole thing 834 00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:29,360 their God is themselves you know what I 835 00:30:33,129 --> 00:30:31,070 mean that they're they're gonna watch 836 00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,139 out for their bloodline and their family 837 00:30:36,940 --> 00:30:35,600 and they want to control the world 838 00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,950 because if they control the world they 839 00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,480 get to play God which means they do it 840 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:40,159 they want to control the money system I 841 00:30:44,769 --> 00:30:42,110 mean we've had a conversation before it 842 00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:44,779 was like well what would be the end goal 843 00:30:50,889 --> 00:30:47,990 of the elite money well know they they 844 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:50,899 they print all the money now that make 845 00:30:54,850 --> 00:30:52,490 it they make it so what was it's 846 00:30:56,409 --> 00:30:54,860 obviously not money so and then and then 847 00:30:58,060 --> 00:30:56,419 you say well it's power well why well 848 00:31:00,519 --> 00:30:58,070 they're just drunk on power no because 849 00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:00,529 their power is so is the power of of 850 00:31:05,739 --> 00:31:03,679 epic proportions and so once again 851 00:31:07,330 --> 00:31:05,749 that's a that's a realization that 852 00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,340 people need to come to and you're really 853 00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:09,679 only going to come to if you study the 854 00:31:14,649 --> 00:31:12,529 occult or the or the deep esoteric is to 855 00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,659 realize that the greatest of Lights has 856 00:31:17,769 --> 00:31:16,399 that shadow and we're looking at that 857 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:17,779 shadow right now and unfortunately that 858 00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,970 shadow is in control right whether or 859 00:31:23,980 --> 00:31:21,440 not you put stock in the Flat Earth 860 00:31:26,109 --> 00:31:23,990 model the materialist paradigm itself 861 00:31:27,730 --> 00:31:26,119 does the same thing right I mean they 862 00:31:29,889 --> 00:31:27,740 took the world from a place where many 863 00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:29,899 cultures had a connection to nature to 864 00:31:34,180 --> 00:31:32,360 the spirit world and consciousness and 865 00:31:36,909 --> 00:31:34,190 yes a creator if we want to throw that 866 00:31:37,769 --> 00:31:36,919 into and despite the composition of the 867 00:31:39,719 --> 00:31:37,779 earth 868 00:31:41,969 --> 00:31:39,729 you've gone to some extreme lengths to 869 00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:41,979 pull us away from that mindset it's just 870 00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:44,169 how bold do you think that lie was at 871 00:31:47,999 --> 00:31:45,580 what stopped you want to get off the 872 00:31:50,249 --> 00:31:48,009 train but broadly speaking I think a lot 873 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:50,259 of us are in agreement about recognizing 874 00:31:54,719 --> 00:31:51,849 that manipulated shift in human 875 00:31:57,779 --> 00:31:54,729 understanding yeah I mean I think so at 876 00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,789 this point it's just like whether flat 877 00:32:01,019 --> 00:31:59,440 earth or not flat earth that this is 878 00:32:02,489 --> 00:32:01,029 what they're doing anyway I mean this is 879 00:32:04,229 --> 00:32:02,499 something once again that I'd come to 880 00:32:06,029 --> 00:32:04,239 long before I did or even heard a flat 881 00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,039 earth you know it's like I completely 882 00:32:09,209 --> 00:32:08,080 understood that this is what these 883 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,219 people were doing that they were 884 00:32:12,810 --> 00:32:11,440 controlling humanity to play God just 885 00:32:14,729 --> 00:32:12,820 play God with you to control your life 886 00:32:17,219 --> 00:32:14,739 to control your children your children's 887 00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:17,229 children's children to dumb you down to 888 00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:18,940 manipulate you to doctrine ate you to 889 00:32:22,889 --> 00:32:20,950 propagate you know propagandize you and 890 00:32:25,169 --> 00:32:22,899 they're gonna use every tool in their 891 00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,179 chest and what what is that it's the 892 00:32:29,070 --> 00:32:27,039 money system it's the media it's the 893 00:32:31,409 --> 00:32:29,080 languages the symbols it's the religions 894 00:32:33,749 --> 00:32:31,419 it's the science everything and it's a 895 00:32:35,789 --> 00:32:33,759 that's a that's a dark thing to talk 896 00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,799 about one of the reasons I don't talk 897 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:38,080 about a lot of this stuff or harp on it 898 00:32:41,999 --> 00:32:40,330 is because well I mean just you know go 899 00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:42,009 perusing through YouTube and you can 900 00:32:45,659 --> 00:32:44,320 find a thousand ten thousand different 901 00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:45,669 channels they're going to be talking 902 00:32:49,109 --> 00:32:47,830 about the dark side of this stuff and 903 00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:49,119 Here I am 904 00:32:54,509 --> 00:32:51,580 Marty Leeds 33 over in my dusty corner 905 00:32:56,969 --> 00:32:54,519 of the internet showing the light that 906 00:32:58,739 --> 00:32:56,979 these people have taken you know and 907 00:33:00,930 --> 00:32:58,749 looking at the body of knowledge and 908 00:33:02,729 --> 00:33:00,940 saying no mankind what there is a 909 00:33:03,719 --> 00:33:02,739 creator you can come to understand the 910 00:33:05,579 --> 00:33:03,729 Creator it 911 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:05,589 it's interpenetrates and interweaves 912 00:33:10,379 --> 00:33:08,320 through every single bit of us every 913 00:33:12,269 --> 00:33:10,389 single aspect of this creation and we 914 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:12,279 can come we can take the knowledge back 915 00:33:15,690 --> 00:33:14,169 because if you understand what they're 916 00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:15,700 doing you understand the knowledge of 917 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:18,940 the divine how that can be understood 918 00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:21,369 through geometry and even our language 919 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:23,769 and the numbers and the symbols and 920 00:33:26,639 --> 00:33:25,210 things like that you can take this back 921 00:33:30,269 --> 00:33:26,649 and then they can't use it against you 922 00:33:32,249 --> 00:33:30,279 you know I'm like I'm I made my peace 923 00:33:33,389 --> 00:33:32,259 with the earth which isn't to say I want 924 00:33:36,329 --> 00:33:33,399 to get out of here or anything like that 925 00:33:37,619 --> 00:33:36,339 but I'm not scared of these people at 926 00:33:41,099 --> 00:33:37,629 all I'm not scared of what they do 927 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:41,109 because I've I've made peace with myself 928 00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,330 and and the people around me and the 929 00:33:47,009 --> 00:33:45,279 creation itself because I've come to 930 00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:47,019 understand this stuff intrinsically 931 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:48,310 intuitively 932 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:51,010 and so that's I don't know that's just 933 00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:52,330 kind of worry about matter and that's 934 00:33:56,580 --> 00:33:53,080 why I do what I do 935 00:33:58,140 --> 00:33:56,590 mm-hmm for sure man and you mentioned 936 00:34:00,150 --> 00:33:58,150 that you're putting together something 937 00:34:02,130 --> 00:34:00,160 on the ISS I know it's probably not 938 00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,140 totally flushed out yet but can you give 939 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:04,240 us a little taste because the ISS is one 940 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:07,810 of those things that has me a little bit 941 00:34:11,700 --> 00:34:09,610 confused because I've seen the fake 942 00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:11,710 videos I've seen plenty of NASA footage 943 00:34:16,860 --> 00:34:14,590 they say it's people on the ISS but yet 944 00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:16,870 their hair moves as if it's propped up 945 00:34:21,390 --> 00:34:19,780 with hairspray you can see wires there's 946 00:34:24,060 --> 00:34:21,400 all kinds of inconsistencies in the 947 00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:24,070 video but then you know you go on NASA's 948 00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:26,230 website and they tell you where the ISS 949 00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:28,120 is supposed to be flying over and I've 950 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:29,800 gone out into the street in front of my 951 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:31,570 house of course it's just a little dot 952 00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:34,810 but you do see something move across the 953 00:34:38,730 --> 00:34:37,120 sky and the exact place where they say 954 00:34:41,850 --> 00:34:38,740 it's gonna be and I've heard people say 955 00:34:43,770 --> 00:34:41,860 that if you have the ham radios or 956 00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,780 whatever you can sometimes catch a 957 00:34:48,270 --> 00:34:45,520 signal from it if it's flying overhead 958 00:34:49,530 --> 00:34:48,280 but what can you say about the ISS 959 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:49,540 because it is one of those things that's 960 00:34:54,810 --> 00:34:53,560 got me right in the middle well a lot of 961 00:34:58,350 --> 00:34:54,820 the things that I'm going to cover with 962 00:35:00,120 --> 00:34:58,360 the ISS are in the esoteric realm I'm 963 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:00,130 looking at the the numbers letter 964 00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,010 associated with the ISS what ISS stands 965 00:35:06,540 --> 00:35:04,960 for what they're looking a look at their 966 00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:06,550 logo and and that sort of thing so 967 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:07,720 that's some of the stuff I'm going to 968 00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:10,330 cover as far as like substantiating the 969 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:12,760 ISS I mean there's been people that have 970 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:15,370 said yeah I can see it look I mean all I 971 00:35:18,210 --> 00:35:16,570 have to do is look up in the sky and I 972 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:18,220 can take telescope and I can see an 973 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:20,290 image of the ISS is it's flying across 974 00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:23,290 yeah well in Japan they have an image of 975 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:25,030 somebody singing on stage and they get 976 00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:28,210 40,000 people to go and it's a hologram 977 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:31,180 I know when people you have to realize 978 00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:33,250 that this is well known even in not even 979 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:35,620 in conspiracy circles or whatever that 980 00:35:39,690 --> 00:35:37,450 the RNG you know the research and 981 00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:39,700 development of the government is 20 to 982 00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:42,640 25 years if not more beyond what we get 983 00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,190 at BestBuy and probably more than that 984 00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:47,440 so the idea that when you look at 985 00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:49,030 Project Blue Beam and stuff like that 986 00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:51,070 that they couldn't fabricate this what 987 00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:53,470 would be easier to flash something on a 988 00:35:58,290 --> 00:35:56,200 dome a hologram up there to convince 989 00:35:59,640 --> 00:35:58,300 people that they made this International 990 00:36:01,049 --> 00:35:59,650 Space Station 991 00:36:06,089 --> 00:36:01,059 construct the International Space 992 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:06,099 Station from spaceships at 17,500 miles 993 00:36:08,339 --> 00:36:06,730 an hour 994 00:36:10,109 --> 00:36:08,349 what about what do you think's easier 995 00:36:12,569 --> 00:36:10,119 what what do we have the technology to 996 00:36:14,789 --> 00:36:12,579 actually do right now well we know we 997 00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:14,799 have the technology to blast a hologram 998 00:36:20,249 --> 00:36:17,680 up there we know we have that do we have 999 00:36:22,289 --> 00:36:20,259 can we right now can we send people up 1000 00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:22,299 in a spaceship even even if it was just 1001 00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:24,460 a few miles up in the air and create 1002 00:36:28,109 --> 00:36:25,960 something like the International Space 1003 00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:28,119 Station you know as we are flying 1004 00:36:32,910 --> 00:36:30,670 through you know just regular jets yeah 1005 00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:32,920 you know I mean you just be reasonable 1006 00:36:37,289 --> 00:36:35,049 so you know you ask questions like that 1007 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:37,299 and then you say no I don't know what's 1008 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:38,410 going on with the International Space 1009 00:36:42,749 --> 00:36:40,930 Station do I believe it's up there I 1010 00:36:46,019 --> 00:36:42,759 have no evidence to say it is whatsoever 1011 00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:46,029 and then the the people give a little 1012 00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:48,220 shadow to jaren ISM here gee I don't 1013 00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:49,750 know piano Jaron Campanella he's got a 1014 00:36:55,799 --> 00:36:52,420 whole channel called jaren ISM and he's 1015 00:36:57,150 --> 00:36:55,809 had a lot of time deconstructing the 1016 00:36:59,039 --> 00:36:57,160 International Space Station he's got 1017 00:37:03,029 --> 00:36:59,049 video upon video of it and you know you 1018 00:37:05,819 --> 00:37:03,039 spend an hour to smoke a J so damage 1019 00:37:08,249 --> 00:37:05,829 Aaron is some few hours and you're gonna 1020 00:37:10,319 --> 00:37:08,259 see how much [\h__\h] it is there's just 1021 00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:10,329 and that's just where I'm at right now 1022 00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:12,460 once again you know what I'm not the 1023 00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:13,630 kind of guy that's trying to convince 1024 00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:16,150 you of anything I'm just saying as for 1025 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:17,950 me going into this discussion when I 1026 00:37:22,049 --> 00:37:20,410 started to do the video I didn't have 1027 00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,059 any stake in the matter I didn't care 1028 00:37:25,950 --> 00:37:23,920 whether the earth was round or flat I 1029 00:37:27,749 --> 00:37:25,960 went in and I was like okay I'm gonna 1030 00:37:29,609 --> 00:37:27,759 I'm gonna perform a scientific 1031 00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:29,619 experiment on this subject and I'm 1032 00:37:33,930 --> 00:37:31,630 myself what am I willing to consider 1033 00:37:35,609 --> 00:37:33,940 that sort of thing and what can I prove 1034 00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,619 and the International Space Station was 1035 00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:37,359 one of them that just had red flags all 1036 00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:38,049 day long 1037 00:37:42,359 --> 00:37:41,049 mm-hmm yeah and obviously I know you're 1038 00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:42,369 not trying to be a champion for this I 1039 00:37:45,690 --> 00:37:43,599 don't to hit you with too many of these 1040 00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:45,700 Flat Earth questions but on the subject 1041 00:37:49,859 --> 00:37:48,220 of projecting something onto suppose a 1042 00:37:51,630 --> 00:37:49,869 dome I mean what do you think about 1043 00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:51,640 space because I mean just like some 1044 00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:53,470 people say they can see the ISS you can 1045 00:37:57,690 --> 00:37:56,200 look in the telescope and see planets 1046 00:37:59,279 --> 00:37:57,700 shaped like they say they're supposed to 1047 00:38:00,900 --> 00:37:59,289 be shaped I guess you can see rings 1048 00:38:03,779 --> 00:38:00,910 around Saturn and that kind of thing 1049 00:38:05,069 --> 00:38:03,789 what do you think people are seeing when 1050 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:05,079 they're looking at a telescope like that 1051 00:38:10,170 --> 00:38:08,410 more projections well I mean the idea 1052 00:38:12,029 --> 00:38:10,180 that people have said well the moon is a 1053 00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:12,039 hologram and things like that and it's 1054 00:38:15,390 --> 00:38:13,119 created by the 1055 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:15,400 US government don't I know it yeah right 1056 00:38:20,249 --> 00:38:18,490 so and whatever I mean talk about that 1057 00:38:21,809 --> 00:38:20,259 consider it obviously throw it on the 1058 00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,819 table for consideration otherwise you're 1059 00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:23,920 not really doing science one thing I 1060 00:38:27,329 --> 00:38:25,990 always went back to was the traditions 1061 00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:27,339 though what did what did the people of 1062 00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:29,680 the past have to say about and as far as 1063 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:32,049 I know the Stars have always hung like 1064 00:38:35,849 --> 00:38:34,089 lamps in the heavens the Moon and Sun 1065 00:38:38,130 --> 00:38:35,859 have been there for a very very long 1066 00:38:40,799 --> 00:38:38,140 time and they were not they were not 1067 00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:40,809 fabrications made by man one thing I 1068 00:38:44,910 --> 00:38:42,910 think that's happened in and how I 1069 00:38:47,249 --> 00:38:44,920 understand it because the things that I 1070 00:38:49,259 --> 00:38:47,259 discuss are more theologically based how 1071 00:38:51,299 --> 00:38:49,269 I've come to understand it is what these 1072 00:38:52,799 --> 00:38:51,309 these evil dark occultist you want to 1073 00:38:54,569 --> 00:38:52,809 call them demonic you want to call them 1074 00:38:56,489 --> 00:38:54,579 Satanist whatever you want to call them 1075 00:38:58,410 --> 00:38:56,499 one thing that they've done is like I 1076 00:39:01,470 --> 00:38:58,420 said they're playing God they've taken 1077 00:39:03,749 --> 00:39:01,480 these spiritual realms the things up in 1078 00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:03,759 the heavens and made them material 1079 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:07,180 they've objectified them so how many 1080 00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:09,249 people of the past have actually gone up 1081 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:11,710 and touched the surface of the Moon well 1082 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:14,170 I don't really know for a fact but I can 1083 00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,970 pretty much say that nobody there's 1084 00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:17,920 nobody that's ever been up to the moon 1085 00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:19,960 if you can even touch the moon if it is 1086 00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:22,630 even terra firma or whatever so what 1087 00:39:26,430 --> 00:39:24,430 what is the Moon and Sun to you 1088 00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,440 ultimately well it's it's a spiritual 1089 00:39:30,569 --> 00:39:29,200 subjective thing looks like that Robert 1090 00:39:32,009 --> 00:39:30,579 Anton Wilson thing where if he was 1091 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:32,019 talking about William Blake and so he 1092 00:39:36,359 --> 00:39:33,849 said oh what's the Sun well it's just a 1093 00:39:38,489 --> 00:39:36,369 big burning ball of gas and then Willie 1094 00:39:40,289 --> 00:39:38,499 Blake's like no it's a it's a thousand 1095 00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:40,299 choir it's a thousand angels 1096 00:39:45,539 --> 00:39:43,150 angelic choir singing me songs of the 1097 00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:45,549 heavens what is that subjectively to you 1098 00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:47,710 what does the Sun subjectively mean to 1099 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:49,420 you what does the moon subjectively mean 1100 00:39:54,479 --> 00:39:52,089 to you what does it mean that no matter 1101 00:39:56,579 --> 00:39:54,489 what the model is that the Sun and the 1102 00:39:58,859 --> 00:39:56,589 moon and the stars appear to revolve 1103 00:40:00,930 --> 00:39:58,869 around you what does that mean we we 1104 00:40:03,390 --> 00:40:00,940 talk about the like is what is the moon 1105 00:40:05,069 --> 00:40:03,400 is it round is it flat is it concave as 1106 00:40:07,529 --> 00:40:05,079 a convex ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1107 00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:07,539 but then what do we ever ask well what 1108 00:40:12,029 --> 00:40:09,849 does the moon mean to us that's and in 1109 00:40:14,279 --> 00:40:12,039 the in the video I said the Sun and the 1110 00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:14,289 moon to me are declarations of cosmic 1111 00:40:19,769 --> 00:40:16,569 grace that's exactly what they are the 1112 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:19,779 Sun is that that chronicler it's the 1113 00:40:23,970 --> 00:40:21,730 it's the tempo and rate and rhythm of 1114 00:40:25,710 --> 00:40:23,980 time it's what creates day and night you 1115 00:40:26,850 --> 00:40:25,720 know so what does the Sun it brings me 1116 00:40:28,980 --> 00:40:26,860 the light and it brings 1117 00:40:30,270 --> 00:40:28,990 the darkness what is the moon to me well 1118 00:40:32,070 --> 00:40:30,280 this is something I'm actually going to 1119 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:32,080 talk about in this next lecture I'm 1120 00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:34,210 doing but it's interesting that women's 1121 00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:36,070 menstrual cycles are tied to the moon 1122 00:40:42,210 --> 00:40:38,980 and the moon is oh you know pretty much 1123 00:40:43,710 --> 00:40:42,220 been clocked as a 28-day period and of 1124 00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:43,720 course women's menstrual cycles are 1125 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:45,550 every 28 days well you find the number 1126 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:47,530 twenty-eight right in your two hands and 1127 00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,450 it's also interesting that when a woman 1128 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:52,000 when her egg drops during ovulation it's 1129 00:40:56,340 --> 00:40:54,730 actually at the 14th day so you have 14 1130 00:40:59,040 --> 00:40:56,350 phalanges on your left hand and you have 1131 00:41:01,410 --> 00:40:59,050 14 on your right so here it is the month 1132 00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:01,420 or the month or the moon and the 28-day 1133 00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:03,310 cycle of the moon not only is tied to 1134 00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,990 menstruation which means that it's tied 1135 00:41:08,310 --> 00:41:06,400 to every single human being that's been 1136 00:41:10,410 --> 00:41:08,320 born on the planet the time of ovulation 1137 00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:10,420 when a woman is most fertile is right 1138 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:13,630 between your hands so how many people 1139 00:41:16,650 --> 00:41:15,130 know this how many people have never 1140 00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:16,660 considered this and then how many people 1141 00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:19,150 take that information and then say what 1142 00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:22,030 is the moon what will the moon is once 1143 00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:23,950 again it's a it's an example of a cosmic 1144 00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:26,440 race it's it's that's that object or 1145 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:28,390 subject or whatever you want to call it 1146 00:41:32,730 --> 00:41:30,730 that's in the heavens that allows us to 1147 00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:32,740 understand as above so below that allows 1148 00:41:35,490 --> 00:41:34,360 us to tie ourselves to the heavens and 1149 00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:35,500 the cycles of heavens and that's what 1150 00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:37,990 spiritual means spiritual means spiral 1151 00:41:41,940 --> 00:41:39,910 ritual that's where the word comes from 1152 00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:41,950 so when you talk about am i a spiritual 1153 00:41:46,830 --> 00:41:45,040 person man well how connected to you are 1154 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:46,840 you to these things because you can be 1155 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:48,250 very connected to them in my opinion 1156 00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,310 yeah interesting man another thing I got 1157 00:41:55,770 --> 00:41:53,680 from your video that I think would shock 1158 00:41:57,420 --> 00:41:55,780 a lot of people who might be kind of 1159 00:42:00,900 --> 00:41:57,430 rolling their eyes at Flat Earth talked 1160 00:42:02,580 --> 00:42:00,910 we talked about old cultures that people 1161 00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:02,590 respect their esoteric knowledge but 1162 00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:05,500 ignore the Flat Earth component of you 1163 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:07,750 have a quote from Nikola Tesla that 1164 00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:10,090 surprised me that he's talking about 1165 00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:12,910 that the earth is a realm not a planet 1166 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:15,070 and that these stars are attached to the 1167 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:18,370 firmament I mean who knew that well let 1168 00:42:23,070 --> 00:42:21,130 me let me say this I believe that quote 1169 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:23,080 I attributed that quote incorrectly and 1170 00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:25,210 so but I'm glad you're bringing it up 1171 00:42:28,830 --> 00:42:26,920 because other people have brought it up 1172 00:42:31,650 --> 00:42:28,840 and this is actually an important point 1173 00:42:34,410 --> 00:42:31,660 when we talk about doing science so I 1174 00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:34,420 did that movie it took me like three and 1175 00:42:38,580 --> 00:42:36,670 a half months just on my spare time and 1176 00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:38,590 I covered a lot of stuff I was going 1177 00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:39,780 through a ton of 1178 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:41,430 information at that point not only the 1179 00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:43,530 information but writing it editing it 1180 00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:45,540 things like that so just like every 1181 00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:46,980 other video I put out in every other 1182 00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:49,020 book I put out in every other record 1183 00:42:52,460 --> 00:42:50,670 I've put out ever since as you do it you 1184 00:42:54,860 --> 00:42:52,470 look back and say ah [\h__\h] I shoulda did 1185 00:42:56,780 --> 00:42:54,870 that better that was incorrect that sort 1186 00:42:59,090 --> 00:42:56,790 of thing you always have the the 1187 00:43:00,560 --> 00:42:59,100 criticism so I knew in this video that I 1188 00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,570 was going to do that and as soon as I 1189 00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:01,920 put it out there was things I was like I 1190 00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:03,780 could have done that better I see and I 1191 00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:05,250 did that wrong that sort of thing so one 1192 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:07,020 of the things in that video was that 1193 00:43:12,020 --> 00:43:09,930 quote that I that I had two sources of 1194 00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:12,030 it and one was actually cosmic creations 1195 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:14,430 calm and it turns out that that was 1196 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:17,130 incorrect and so some people had jumped 1197 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:19,530 on it right it was like oh you're a liar 1198 00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:21,690 you know you're trying to deceive people 1199 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:23,310 and stuff like that it's like no man I 1200 00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:26,730 made a mistake you know and so what 1201 00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:28,680 you're doing there is cherry picking out 1202 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:32,310 of a general trajectory of an idea going 1203 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:33,810 to cherry pick something and then 1204 00:43:38,810 --> 00:43:35,370 therefore using that as something to 1205 00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:38,820 discredit or back up your beliefs so to 1206 00:43:42,350 --> 00:43:40,440 me it's actually important that I left 1207 00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:42,360 it in there number one if it's incorrect 1208 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:45,390 that everybody goes and says look Marty 1209 00:43:49,580 --> 00:43:47,610 [\h__\h] up Marty made a mistake go point 1210 00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:49,590 that out and make sure everybody knows 1211 00:43:54,620 --> 00:43:52,260 about it but what you also have to do in 1212 00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:54,630 the scientific method to uphold justice 1213 00:43:58,340 --> 00:43:56,220 you know civility and the scientific 1214 00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:58,350 method is that when you point out things 1215 00:44:01,880 --> 00:43:59,700 that are incorrect you also have to 1216 00:44:03,620 --> 00:44:01,890 point out the things that I got right or 1217 00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:03,630 the things that are you know that are 1218 00:44:08,810 --> 00:44:06,300 legitimate things to discuss legitimate 1219 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:08,820 arguments yeah and we're not doing that 1220 00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:11,130 in this community we're not it's not 1221 00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:13,500 happening in in academia that's for sure 1222 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:15,720 and I've said that with the you know the 1223 00:44:19,310 --> 00:44:17,490 gamma tree and numerology work that I've 1224 00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:19,320 done I've made mistakes in the past 1225 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:21,060 and so somebody will go along and be 1226 00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:23,010 like oh look he made a mistake he you 1227 00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,510 know added a word wrong or he got a 1228 00:44:27,590 --> 00:44:26,160 historical context wrong therefore we 1229 00:44:30,860 --> 00:44:27,600 should just dismiss the entirety of his 1230 00:44:34,310 --> 00:44:30,870 work and that's asinine here's an 1231 00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:34,320 analogy like if you go and you you know 1232 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:36,270 you're in college or your university and 1233 00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:38,730 you take a final exam on chemistry or 1234 00:44:43,250 --> 00:44:40,980 Anatomy or whatever it is and you 1235 00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:43,260 there's a hundred questions and you get 1236 00:44:46,910 --> 00:44:45,510 20 of them wrong well you've got 20 1237 00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:46,920 questions just wrong you were wrong 1238 00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:48,780 wrong klar percent wrong you got them 1239 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:50,790 wrong you got eighty four eighty of them 1240 00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:52,970 right which means that you pass 1241 00:44:56,650 --> 00:44:55,070 right but how many people in this 1242 00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:56,660 community will go and look at the 20 1243 00:45:00,010 --> 00:44:58,130 things that somebody got wrong and then 1244 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:00,020 completely dismiss it yet in a 1245 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:02,690 university setting that's a B you know 1246 00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:05,090 what I mean so I know that everything 1247 00:45:10,270 --> 00:45:07,550 that I've produced everything the videos 1248 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:10,280 the books this this last video there are 1249 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:12,050 things that are wrong and so it's very 1250 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:13,490 important that people go employment 1251 00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:15,050 those things out but you also have to 1252 00:45:19,780 --> 00:45:16,160 point out what you got right it's 1253 00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,790 important yeah it is fair my bad man 1254 00:45:22,570 --> 00:45:21,440 no no it's not your bad I'm actually 1255 00:45:24,010 --> 00:45:22,580 glad we're talking about this because 1256 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:24,020 people have brought it up and it's an 1257 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:26,450 important point yeah so that is I mean 1258 00:45:31,060 --> 00:45:28,610 you wanna be yeah yeah okay so to ask 1259 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:31,070 you the big a key question for me I know 1260 00:45:34,540 --> 00:45:32,570 it's something that's important to you 1261 00:45:37,090 --> 00:45:34,550 and I think it jobs with a lot of people 1262 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:37,100 who are listening and also people who 1263 00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:39,770 are in the flat of community but how has 1264 00:45:45,820 --> 00:45:42,830 this this journey affected your thoughts 1265 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:45,830 about life and spirituality and a 1266 00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,170 possible creator because this is a your 1267 00:45:53,740 --> 00:45:50,480 most recent presentation is pretty 1268 00:45:55,930 --> 00:45:53,750 focused on this it it hasn't okay so for 1269 00:45:58,510 --> 00:45:55,940 me it really did not change too much 1270 00:46:00,430 --> 00:45:58,520 because I had already come to the 1271 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:00,440 conclusion that man was central to the 1272 00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:02,450 mystery no matter if this was an 1273 00:46:08,410 --> 00:46:05,750 illusion a hologram I had already come 1274 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:08,420 to this idea that somehow no matter what 1275 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:10,130 was going on that man and his 1276 00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:11,810 consciousness was sort of central to the 1277 00:46:17,290 --> 00:46:14,270 thing and that and that a creator this 1278 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:17,300 great spirit or grand architect or great 1279 00:46:21,490 --> 00:46:19,010 geometers or whatever you want to call 1280 00:46:23,290 --> 00:46:21,500 this thing put mankind central to the 1281 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:23,300 mystery and actually put its 1282 00:46:28,570 --> 00:46:25,850 consciousness through man and so man was 1283 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:28,580 actually an experiencer of the god thing 1284 00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:30,770 in and of itself and so that's sort of 1285 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:33,380 feedback loop that's sort of mobius 1286 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:35,450 strip of consciousness or whatever you 1287 00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:36,890 want to call is actually what's going on 1288 00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:39,830 so when the flatter thing came up not 1289 00:46:43,570 --> 00:46:41,660 only did it was it in accord with a lot 1290 00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:43,580 of the ancient what the ancient people 1291 00:46:48,070 --> 00:46:45,740 had said it was in accord with what I 1292 00:46:49,570 --> 00:46:48,080 was already thinking it's the only only 1293 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:49,580 difference was it wasn't saying that oh 1294 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:52,370 no what we're saying is man is literally 1295 00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:54,410 central to the entire universe that 1296 00:46:58,330 --> 00:46:55,910 literally the landmass that he is 1297 00:47:00,010 --> 00:46:58,340 standing on and his you know the drama 1298 00:47:01,810 --> 00:47:00,020 and experience of mankind is central to 1299 00:47:04,270 --> 00:47:01,820 the whole thing so I was already there 1300 00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:04,280 you know in that respect so it didn't 1301 00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:06,430 really change much spiritually for me 1302 00:47:11,339 --> 00:47:08,220 but I I know it has helped people 1303 00:47:12,270 --> 00:47:11,349 spiritually there was there's been a lot 1304 00:47:13,890 --> 00:47:12,280 of people that have been like hey you 1305 00:47:16,290 --> 00:47:13,900 know this has helped me understand a 1306 00:47:18,089 --> 00:47:16,300 creator better so that's good I don't 1307 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:18,099 know if this is going to help or hurt 1308 00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:20,050 what I'm doing it doesn't really matter 1309 00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,430 I'm just gonna keep onto what I'm doing 1310 00:47:25,140 --> 00:47:23,680 anyway but it really hasn't changed my 1311 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:25,150 opinions towards a creator at all 1312 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:26,650 because I was like I said it was already 1313 00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,130 there fair yeah well I like getting into 1314 00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:32,559 the depth of some of the stuff you 1315 00:47:36,890 --> 00:47:34,150 talked about in that latest presentation 1316 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:36,900 you get into the idea that there is a 1317 00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:39,970 cohesive message parallel messages that 1318 00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:42,040 come through not only nearly all 1319 00:47:46,650 --> 00:47:44,140 religions but also the teachings of the 1320 00:47:48,839 --> 00:47:46,660 Kabbalah the core beliefs of the main 1321 00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:48,849 secret societies like Freemasons and the 1322 00:47:54,660 --> 00:47:52,720 OTO what is that central message to you 1323 00:47:57,150 --> 00:47:54,670 what is that core message about life 1324 00:48:00,660 --> 00:47:57,160 consciousness our origins that whole 1325 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:00,670 thing the the central thing is that man 1326 00:48:06,180 --> 00:48:03,250 is put on this earth to undergo a great 1327 00:48:08,190 --> 00:48:06,190 journey a great quest that he has put on 1328 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:08,200 the path and ultimately that path is to 1329 00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:09,670 find something that was hidden within 1330 00:48:13,049 --> 00:48:11,500 him and that is the entire reason that 1331 00:48:15,450 --> 00:48:13,059 the thing was created in and of itself 1332 00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:15,460 at least as far as the drama of man is 1333 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:18,280 concerned that God lost itself in its 1334 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:20,770 own creation and that man is put through 1335 00:48:25,740 --> 00:48:23,530 the tests and trials to go through and 1336 00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:25,750 find that thing and ultimately that 1337 00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:28,540 thing is to put it simply and not to 1338 00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:31,089 sound all new-agey and [\h__\h] but love one 1339 00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:32,920 of the things that I came to I talked 1340 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:35,380 about in that video the Flat Earth video 1341 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:37,690 was the weighing of the heart ceremony 1342 00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,170 that the crux of Egyptian philosophical 1343 00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,880 thought was basically this idea that 1344 00:48:46,380 --> 00:48:45,280 after you died you're just like in a lot 1345 00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:46,390 of other cultures they talked about 1346 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:48,670 you'd have this sort of review of your 1347 00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:50,530 life right that God would pop in the DVD 1348 00:48:55,260 --> 00:48:53,680 and take a look at what you did and then 1349 00:48:57,780 --> 00:48:55,270 you know you'd have that review and 1350 00:48:59,609 --> 00:48:57,790 ultimately if you your heart was as 1351 00:49:02,760 --> 00:48:59,619 light or as lighter than a feather then 1352 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:02,770 you would go back and embrace with the 1353 00:49:06,990 --> 00:49:05,170 oneness the great undifferentiated and 1354 00:49:09,089 --> 00:49:07,000 differentiate light of the Creator kind 1355 00:49:11,849 --> 00:49:09,099 of thing and so that to me is the 1356 00:49:14,339 --> 00:49:11,859 central thing that's being hidden and so 1357 00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,349 when you look at the dark occultists of 1358 00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:15,760 the world the people that are 1359 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:18,160 manipulating our reality they're trying 1360 00:49:21,540 --> 00:49:19,690 to steer you away from that 1361 00:49:23,490 --> 00:49:21,550 is any way that they can and that's why 1362 00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:23,500 you have so much of this appealing to 1363 00:49:29,849 --> 00:49:26,950 man's lower nature's sex eating you know 1364 00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:29,859 fighting fear all of these sorts of 1365 00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:31,089 things these are the things that are 1366 00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:33,510 like highlighted in our society because 1367 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:36,400 because it steers you away from that 1368 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:38,530 path which is a path of nobility it's a 1369 00:49:43,380 --> 00:49:41,170 path of a spiritual path of morality and 1370 00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,390 ethics and how much care and compassion 1371 00:49:47,370 --> 00:49:45,280 you have towards your fellow man how 1372 00:49:49,220 --> 00:49:47,380 much love you're bringing to the earth 1373 00:49:53,010 --> 00:49:49,230 how much you're inspiring people and 1374 00:49:55,740 --> 00:49:53,020 that is really what the work that I'm 1375 00:49:58,140 --> 00:49:55,750 focused on it's all about what does what 1376 00:49:59,309 --> 00:49:58,150 is Flat Earth and have to say about if 1377 00:50:01,740 --> 00:49:59,319 you and I were standing next to each 1378 00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:01,750 other right now would it matter what the 1379 00:50:06,089 --> 00:50:04,329 shape of the earth is what it is flat 1380 00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:06,099 around what it right now what would what 1381 00:50:09,089 --> 00:50:07,599 would matter we just make you know we'd 1382 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:09,099 probably just say hey we're gonna finish 1383 00:50:14,370 --> 00:50:12,010 smokin this whole bag and you know but 1384 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:14,380 what what would matter how are we fall 1385 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:15,970 on the Golden Rule are we being care or 1386 00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:17,410 you know do we care for one another are 1387 00:50:20,849 --> 00:50:19,060 we being kind to one another are we 1388 00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,859 choosing to coexist even though we have 1389 00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:22,480 differences these are the things that 1390 00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:25,390 matter and so that I think is the the 1391 00:50:29,370 --> 00:50:28,240 great mystery and quest of human being 1392 00:50:30,990 --> 00:50:29,380 and that's what's being hidden 1393 00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:31,000 once again that's just hiding the divine 1394 00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:32,710 within it's trying is trying to divert 1395 00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:34,089 you from that path of finding that 1396 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:37,359 mm-hmm well then I would say this this 1397 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:38,770 is the other thing that this isn't 1398 00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:40,690 something that has to be hidden in fact 1399 00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,550 I think cultures of the past actually 1400 00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:44,319 taught us stuff to their children that 1401 00:50:48,569 --> 00:50:46,390 it was actually a process of growing up 1402 00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,579 was the process of like you couldn't 1403 00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:50,800 enter the tribe unless you decided 1404 00:50:54,839 --> 00:50:53,140 unless you were going to be a man if you 1405 00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,849 will you were going to be an upstanding 1406 00:50:58,829 --> 00:50:57,040 human being you're gonna live nobly and 1407 00:51:00,359 --> 00:50:58,839 ethically and morally and you were going 1408 00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:00,369 to do what was best for the community 1409 00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,990 you know these are the things and these 1410 00:51:05,069 --> 00:51:03,280 these sorts of things were taught to 1411 00:51:06,450 --> 00:51:05,079 children when you especially when you 1412 00:51:08,420 --> 00:51:06,460 look at like native cultures I think 1413 00:51:11,099 --> 00:51:08,430 this is exactly what they were teaching 1414 00:51:13,620 --> 00:51:11,109 right and apparently you know it's not 1415 00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:13,630 really that hidden according to some of 1416 00:51:18,450 --> 00:51:15,480 your presentations if you look at 1417 00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:18,460 mathematics and nature you know one of 1418 00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,780 the things I'm talking about in this 1419 00:51:24,180 --> 00:51:21,520 this lecture I'm doing it's just like 1420 00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:24,190 thou shalt reach true and laymen when 1421 00:51:28,829 --> 00:51:26,230 thou comes to know that true shape of 1422 00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:28,839 the earth sentence said no philosopher 1423 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:31,900 ever write what did the philosopher say 1424 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:32,770 what did the dal PO 1425 00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:35,890 Oracle's say oh man know thyself and you 1426 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:37,390 shall know the universe and the gods 1427 00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,090 so these mysteries all of these things 1428 00:51:44,370 --> 00:51:42,640 that you know are hidden they're right 1429 00:51:45,570 --> 00:51:44,380 in front of us like I was just talking 1430 00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:45,580 about with the phalanges of our hands 1431 00:51:49,710 --> 00:51:47,710 this right there our connection to the 1432 00:51:52,290 --> 00:51:49,720 moon and our connection to this man's 1433 00:51:54,570 --> 00:51:52,300 the the cycle of man coming to the 1434 00:51:56,310 --> 00:51:54,580 menstruation cycle ovulation cycle and 1435 00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:56,320 all that stuff is connected to the Sun 1436 00:51:59,220 --> 00:51:57,850 is connected to the moon and all you 1437 00:52:00,600 --> 00:51:59,230 have to do is a little math and so all 1438 00:52:02,490 --> 00:52:00,610 this stuff is right in front of us and 1439 00:52:04,620 --> 00:52:02,500 they've done everything in their power 1440 00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,630 to keep us from this to keep us from 1441 00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,160 even understanding what's right in front 1442 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:08,800 of us yeah it's secrets in plain sight 1443 00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:11,770 mm-hmm and I see the motivations there I 1444 00:52:14,490 --> 00:52:12,430 really do 1445 00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,500 and I want to give people a little bit 1446 00:52:19,050 --> 00:52:16,480 of context for your gematria work if 1447 00:52:21,630 --> 00:52:19,060 they're not familiar but to back it up a 1448 00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,640 bit there it seems like to simplify some 1449 00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:23,920 of it when languages are formed all the 1450 00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:25,660 major ones tend to have a mathematical 1451 00:52:30,690 --> 00:52:28,030 code to them and the cipher or the way 1452 00:52:32,910 --> 00:52:30,700 to decode the message tends to be in the 1453 00:52:34,530 --> 00:52:32,920 core religious texts of that language is 1454 00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:34,540 that basically it can that template be 1455 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:37,030 applied to most languages I honestly 1456 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:38,890 don't know I don't have a direct answer 1457 00:52:43,470 --> 00:52:40,570 for that I do know that some of the 1458 00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:43,480 major languages without question have a 1459 00:52:47,340 --> 00:52:45,790 mathematical foundation this is just you 1460 00:52:49,140 --> 00:52:47,350 know I'd mentioned this um I did a 1461 00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:49,150 couple podcast back and I was my friend 1462 00:52:52,860 --> 00:52:50,500 gave me this book and it's by there's a 1463 00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:52,870 German linguist and he's just a regular 1464 00:52:57,690 --> 00:52:55,750 run-of-the-mill academia linguist he's 1465 00:52:59,400 --> 00:52:57,700 not an esotericist he's not a conspiracy 1466 00:53:01,860 --> 00:52:59,410 theorist he's just a you know professor 1467 00:53:04,650 --> 00:53:01,870 and he wrote this book on number words 1468 00:53:06,930 --> 00:53:04,660 and symbols and and that sort of thing 1469 00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:06,940 and he's got there's several pages in 1470 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:08,760 there where he goes and shows how 1471 00:53:13,590 --> 00:53:11,770 explicitly how Greek had a site for Ebru 1472 00:53:15,570 --> 00:53:13,600 has numbers attached to their languages 1473 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:15,580 there's the abjad in the Arabic there's 1474 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:17,770 etc etc etc that all of these different 1475 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:19,570 languages absolutely had a mathematical 1476 00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:22,450 cipher nothing controversial at all so 1477 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:24,310 when you look at English and say is 1478 00:53:28,140 --> 00:53:25,690 there one for that well that's what I'm 1479 00:53:30,270 --> 00:53:28,150 that's that I'm trying to put for it is 1480 00:53:32,070 --> 00:53:30,280 and that yes they were encoding these 1481 00:53:34,410 --> 00:53:32,080 things with in for instance the Holy 1482 00:53:35,970 --> 00:53:34,420 Bible you know and that's that that 1483 00:53:38,310 --> 00:53:35,980 particular one is something I've looked 1484 00:53:41,070 --> 00:53:38,320 at because I know for a fact at least 1485 00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:41,080 the best of my knowledge that it was 1486 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:43,510 encoded with this cipher and there's 1487 00:53:45,970 --> 00:53:45,610 just amazing things you can draw from it 1488 00:53:47,290 --> 00:53:45,980 and 1489 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:47,300 yeah when you look at the Holy Bible 1490 00:53:51,790 --> 00:53:48,530 you're looking at a mathematical 1491 00:53:54,130 --> 00:53:51,800 document and what I'm trying to say is 1492 00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:54,140 that you can prove that yeah I find that 1493 00:53:57,970 --> 00:53:55,760 interesting because I'm not into the 1494 00:54:00,849 --> 00:53:57,980 Bible as a literal thing of course but 1495 00:54:02,859 --> 00:54:00,859 we're talking about some people hiding a 1496 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:02,869 coded message in there that describes 1497 00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:05,090 reality I mean that's that's something I 1498 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:07,550 can get into can you give us a couple of 1499 00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:09,890 examples of of where you see that the 1500 00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,310 most well yeah there's there's I mean 1501 00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:14,960 there's honestly it's one of those 1502 00:54:17,980 --> 00:54:16,609 things like as soon as we go into any 1503 00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:17,990 one of them we could spend two hours 1504 00:54:22,060 --> 00:54:20,270 talking about it you know it's just 1505 00:54:23,470 --> 00:54:22,070 that's why I have to do videos and books 1506 00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:23,480 and stuff like that because it's just 1507 00:54:27,130 --> 00:54:26,060 there's just so much you can extract one 1508 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:27,140 thing I always like to bring up to 1509 00:54:31,930 --> 00:54:29,090 people is how this is hidden how this is 1510 00:54:33,609 --> 00:54:31,940 occulted and why it's so cryptic and why 1511 00:54:35,740 --> 00:54:33,619 it's written so cryptic number one the 1512 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:35,750 information has to be hidden in some way 1513 00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:37,850 so that it will last throughout the ages 1514 00:54:42,370 --> 00:54:40,790 well I mean the Bible if anybody that 1515 00:54:44,109 --> 00:54:42,380 picks up the Bible that has any sort of 1516 00:54:47,020 --> 00:54:44,119 reason to rationale can tell you very 1517 00:54:49,870 --> 00:54:47,030 very clearly that it's highly symbolic 1518 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:49,880 highly cryptic and there's obviously you 1519 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:51,770 know where do you think the read between 1520 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:54,290 the lines comes from you know it comes 1521 00:54:59,500 --> 00:54:56,450 from the Bible you know so the opening 1522 00:55:01,420 --> 00:54:59,510 pages of the Bible Genesis you know 1 1 1523 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:01,430 2 whatever it is talks about how God 1524 00:55:05,859 --> 00:55:03,890 treated the universe in seven days did 1525 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:05,869 some [\h__\h] on first day it was good did 1526 00:55:09,730 --> 00:55:08,090 stop second day was good third day blah 1527 00:55:12,090 --> 00:55:09,740 blah blah and then rested on the seventh 1528 00:55:16,060 --> 00:55:12,100 day well anybody with any sort of 1529 00:55:18,070 --> 00:55:16,070 philosophy can you know or studies of 1530 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:18,080 theology can look at this and say wait a 1531 00:55:21,490 --> 00:55:19,970 second God is all-powerful he's 1532 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:21,500 omnipotent omniscient omnipresent you 1533 00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,210 can create universes upon universes 1534 00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:25,040 about a universe is in a split second 1535 00:55:29,410 --> 00:55:26,900 why in the world would it take this 1536 00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:29,420 great this grand architect this great 1537 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:31,880 being seven days to create anything that 1538 00:55:36,340 --> 00:55:33,290 doesn't make any sense 1539 00:55:38,410 --> 00:55:36,350 it's just fall that just fails logic 101 1540 00:55:40,060 --> 00:55:38,420 so then you have to say what are they 1541 00:55:41,770 --> 00:55:40,070 talking about then well then you can 1542 00:55:44,380 --> 00:55:41,780 actually go and talk and find out that 1543 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:44,390 there's six directions mathematically 1544 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:46,010 when we look at your universe your 1545 00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:47,930 experience here there's six directions 1546 00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,240 of space resting on a seven point so 1547 00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:52,640 there's board reverse up down left and 1548 00:55:54,370 --> 00:55:52,910 right 1549 00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,380 and this is three-dimensional 1550 00:55:58,090 --> 00:55:56,000 mathematics and those opposites come 1551 00:55:59,130 --> 00:55:58,100 together to a central point a resting 1552 00:56:01,200 --> 00:55:59,140 point in origin 1553 00:56:03,210 --> 00:56:01,210 point well if you understand that the 1554 00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:03,220 genesis of the creation of the universe 1555 00:56:07,710 --> 00:56:05,110 is talking about the genetics and 1556 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:07,720 genesis of the human being the universe 1557 00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:09,970 of the human being then you realize that 1558 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:12,760 that allegory of God doing is working 1559 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:14,050 six days is resting on the seventh is 1560 00:56:17,790 --> 00:56:16,570 talking about the creation of you and so 1561 00:56:20,340 --> 00:56:17,800 therefore it's like what is the Holy 1562 00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:20,350 Bible it's talking about the I mean what 1563 00:56:23,370 --> 00:56:22,030 else do you think it's talking about you 1564 00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:23,380 know it's talking about the divinity of 1565 00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:26,470 man about how God lives through man 1566 00:56:31,020 --> 00:56:29,110 right so you know that's one thing that 1567 00:56:33,090 --> 00:56:31,030 you can kind of talk about to to really 1568 00:56:36,450 --> 00:56:33,100 just start to open that a cult book up 1569 00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:36,460 well man I gotta let you go sometime I 1570 00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:39,520 do love talking to you obviously we've 1571 00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:41,140 been lied to in many areas I like 1572 00:56:45,150 --> 00:56:43,510 entertaining that to its furthest 1573 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:45,160 extreme and I respect you for putting 1574 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:47,410 yourself out there for it before we go 1575 00:56:50,730 --> 00:56:48,850 remind the people where they can get 1576 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:50,740 more Marty Marty leans three three com 1577 00:56:54,450 --> 00:56:52,330 is the website main website and then 1578 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:54,460 Marty leads three on YouTube and then 1579 00:56:58,380 --> 00:56:56,410 muscle on Facebook you know friend me 1580 00:57:00,300 --> 00:56:58,390 there post stuff all the time so that's 1581 00:57:01,950 --> 00:57:00,310 cool and what's coming up like I said I 1582 00:57:03,660 --> 00:57:01,960 got a book coming up I'm gonna hopefully 1583 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:03,670 record another record this year so 1584 00:57:07,860 --> 00:57:06,370 that's coming up and then after the book 1585 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:07,870 is done I'm thinking about doing a 1586 00:57:10,740 --> 00:57:09,370 planning on doing another lecture series 1587 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:10,750 and kind of starting from the ground 1588 00:57:13,140 --> 00:57:11,770 floor again 1589 00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:13,150 and just kind of you know working 1590 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:15,070 through all this stuff again so all 1591 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:16,930 right on and also you mentioned this 1592 00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:19,930 earlier and I pushed out myself but you 1593 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:21,700 are speaking at the lightning in a 1594 00:57:26,430 --> 00:57:23,290 bottle festival right yes I'm speaking 1595 00:57:28,050 --> 00:57:26,440 this Sunday with people like Charles 1596 00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:28,060 Eisenstein who's gonna be there Prince 1597 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:30,190 EA it was like a hip-hop artist there's 1598 00:57:32,310 --> 00:57:31,090 a bunch of people that are gonna be 1599 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:32,320 there that should be pretty cool so 1600 00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:34,930 looking forward to that mmm and I think 1601 00:57:38,130 --> 00:57:36,880 I think the tickets are sold out so if 1602 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:38,140 you're there well you know looking 1603 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:39,010 forward to seeing you in otherwise 1604 00:57:43,770 --> 00:57:42,370 another time for sure and one other 1605 00:57:46,110 --> 00:57:43,780 thing I forgot to throw out there that I 1606 00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:46,120 gotta throw out is when I went to 1607 00:57:51,330 --> 00:57:47,950 Armenia with Graham Hancock we took a 1608 00:57:53,220 --> 00:57:51,340 picture by a stone that had a pyramid 1609 00:57:54,570 --> 00:57:53,230 that's supposedly a buried pyramid looks 1610 00:57:56,730 --> 00:57:54,580 like a hill but they think it's a buried 1611 00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:56,740 pyramid out there but they found a stone 1612 00:58:01,740 --> 00:57:59,410 that looks like the pyramid that might 1613 00:58:04,650 --> 00:58:01,750 be under the dirt and there's some 1614 00:58:06,930 --> 00:58:04,660 leaves around it and it was you who 1615 00:58:09,060 --> 00:58:06,940 looked at that picture on Facebook and 1616 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:09,070 found that when you take the steps of 1617 00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:10,810 that pyramid it was broken up into 1618 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:12,760 levels and you take the 1619 00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,450 leaves around it encoded pi and only you 1620 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:18,640 were gonna we're gonna find that man and 1621 00:58:21,450 --> 00:58:20,170 I thought it was pretty fascinating and 1622 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:21,460 I told Graham he thought it was 1623 00:58:24,990 --> 00:58:23,050 interesting but I just wanted to give 1624 00:58:28,140 --> 00:58:25,000 you props because you do a lot of great 1625 00:58:30,180 --> 00:58:28,150 work in that number decoding realm and 1626 00:58:31,740 --> 00:58:30,190 that was just more icing on the cake 1627 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:31,750 thanks man yeah when I saw that I 1628 00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:33,610 immediately immediately picked that up 1629 00:58:37,890 --> 00:58:35,920 and I was like oh yeah that's like it 1630 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:37,900 figured you'd get it so that's cool yeah 1631 00:58:41,580 --> 00:58:39,850 the freakin Internet man here yet 1632 00:58:42,990 --> 00:58:41,590 researchers in Armenia that have been 1633 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:43,000 there for a long time looking at these 1634 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:44,650 things they got the stone they never 1635 00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:46,450 mentioned that you know Marty leads 1636 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:51,040 figures of that but or not you know yeah 1637 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:53,170 well keep doing what you do man I do 1638 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:54,970 enjoy it look me up when you're in the 1639 00:58:57,060 --> 00:58:56,290 neighborhood and take care out there 1640 00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,070 right thanks man 1641 00:59:02,910 --> 00:59:00,400 you got it there it is guys the great 1642 00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:02,920 Marty Leeds I love that guy and as soon 1643 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:05,470 as I saw his Flat Earth doc go up I knew 1644 00:59:09,060 --> 00:59:07,090 we were probably going to talk about it 1645 00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,070 here it's a good video for sure for 1646 00:59:13,380 --> 00:59:10,720 those who have any interest in this kind 1647 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:13,390 of stuff obviously I had a lot of Flat 1648 00:59:17,370 --> 00:59:15,490 Earth questions prepared but as we went 1649 00:59:19,650 --> 00:59:17,380 on I tried to flex around to other areas 1650 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:19,660 because I don't want a pigeonhole Marty 1651 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:22,570 into this being his only topic and I got 1652 00:59:26,490 --> 00:59:23,890 the vibe that he's trying to be cautious 1653 00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:26,500 about that too and he should he's done a 1654 00:59:31,260 --> 00:59:29,140 lot of great gematria work decoding the 1655 00:59:33,810 --> 00:59:31,270 cipher and seeing just how many areas it 1656 00:59:36,030 --> 00:59:33,820 applies to as well as PI and the natural 1657 00:59:38,940 --> 00:59:36,040 codes of reality you don't want your 1658 00:59:40,830 --> 00:59:38,950 whole identity reduced to oh he's a flat 1659 00:59:42,660 --> 00:59:40,840 earth guy you know and I don't want to 1660 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:42,670 contribute to that happening to him so 1661 00:59:47,340 --> 00:59:45,010 it's a fine line but allow me to 1662 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:47,350 speculate a bit on this overreaching 1663 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:49,690 topic and take it to a darker place 1664 00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:51,490 because imagine any simulated 1665 00:59:55,260 --> 00:59:53,590 environment there's gonna be patterns in 1666 00:59:57,300 --> 00:59:55,270 the code things like pie and the 1667 01:00:00,300 --> 00:59:57,310 Fibonacci sequence make total sense if 1668 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:00,310 there is a quote-unquote creator but we 1669 01:00:04,830 --> 01:00:03,010 use that term almost exclusively in a 1670 01:00:07,290 --> 01:00:04,840 positive sense and that's a slippery 1671 01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:07,300 slope to me because any gamer knows 1672 01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:10,000 banjo kazooie and dead space are both 1673 01:00:15,420 --> 01:00:12,640 video game worlds both contain evidence 1674 01:00:17,460 --> 01:00:15,430 of a creator of higher intelligence and 1675 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:17,470 patterns in the structure you could 1676 01:00:22,290 --> 01:00:19,570 spend a lot of time appreciating the 1677 01:00:24,690 --> 01:00:22,300 elegance and sublime patterns that make 1678 01:00:25,850 --> 01:00:24,700 up these equally perfect incomplete 1679 01:00:27,650 --> 01:00:25,860 worlds 1680 01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:27,660 but world-building genius doesn't really 1681 01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,240 have many implications for a creators 1682 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:32,400 morality does it because believe me the 1683 01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:34,770 dead space and banjo-kazooie worlds are 1684 01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:37,170 very different places to be so to judge 1685 01:00:41,090 --> 01:00:39,480 a creators morality I suppose you have 1686 01:00:43,220 --> 01:00:41,100 to look at the experience in the 1687 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:43,230 simulation and we live in a world where 1688 01:00:48,050 --> 01:00:45,450 love is no guarantee but pain and death 1689 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:48,060 surely are say what you will about being 1690 01:00:51,830 --> 01:00:49,890 a vegetarian and not eating God's 1691 01:00:54,290 --> 01:00:51,840 creatures but they'll sure as [\h__\h] eat 1692 01:00:56,060 --> 01:00:54,300 you without human intervention almost 1693 01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:56,070 any animal on this planet would die 1694 01:01:00,770 --> 01:00:58,050 slowly as the plaything in the jaws of 1695 01:01:02,540 --> 01:01:00,780 something larger with human intervention 1696 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:02,550 they're locked in zoo cages where their 1697 01:01:06,590 --> 01:01:04,650 natural desires are crushed under the 1698 01:01:08,750 --> 01:01:06,600 weight of our fondness for seeing every 1699 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:08,760 animal when we choose to wander past and 1700 01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:11,250 snap a few pictures or even worse if 1701 01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:12,780 we're talking about one of the random 1702 01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:14,430 animals we've marked for consumption 1703 01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:17,160 well welcome to the slaughterhouse it 1704 01:01:21,710 --> 01:01:19,500 just begs the question is our reality a 1705 01:01:24,620 --> 01:01:21,720 perfect happy place birthed from the 1706 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:24,630 mind of a just and loving God or will 1707 01:01:28,790 --> 01:01:26,970 you die if you can't find water in 24 1708 01:01:31,070 --> 01:01:28,800 hours or for some reason find yourself 1709 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:31,080 in 10 hours of the New Mexico desert Sun 1710 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:33,810 is this really a paradise or is it more 1711 01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:35,850 of a terrarium of Terror we've luckily 1712 01:01:40,460 --> 01:01:37,650 beaten to submission so we can live out 1713 01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:40,470 our lives we do have ourselves to thank 1714 01:01:43,850 --> 01:01:42,420 for building shelters and tweaking our 1715 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:43,860 environment so it doesn't seem that 1716 01:01:48,350 --> 01:01:46,290 hostile but when I look at the framework 1717 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:48,360 of the world built around us try living 1718 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:49,770 in it for a week without the cushy 1719 01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:52,170 comforts we've added to the game when I 1720 01:01:56,450 --> 01:01:53,700 look at areas of the planet that don't 1721 01:01:58,340 --> 01:01:56,460 have these cushy amenities like parts of 1722 01:02:00,830 --> 01:01:58,350 Africa that's where I see the 1723 01:02:03,260 --> 01:02:00,840 environment as the Creator intended and 1724 01:02:06,350 --> 01:02:03,270 it's not great a lot of bloated babies 1725 01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,360 slowly dying in the hot Sun or take it 1726 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:08,400 to the Amazon sure they seem happy but 1727 01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:09,210 that's because they're constantly 1728 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:11,310 tripping out on ayahuasca setting their 1729 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:13,170 consciousness as far away from here as 1730 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:15,450 they can requiring a constant reminder 1731 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:17,970 that this is just a dream otherwise that 1732 01:02:20,930 --> 01:02:18,690 go nuts 1733 01:02:22,940 --> 01:02:20,940 of course I'm kind of joking and just 1734 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:22,950 playing devil's advocate for the 1735 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:25,170 counterpoints here and I'm not trying to 1736 01:02:29,210 --> 01:02:26,850 make light of people in horrible 1737 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:29,220 situations just pointing out the reality 1738 01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:32,130 trying to redefine this paradise in more 1739 01:02:36,890 --> 01:02:35,310 realistic terms if you disagree go live 1740 01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:36,900 in the natural world for a bit have you 1741 01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:39,180 even seen naked and afraid they 1742 01:02:43,370 --> 01:02:41,190 no the game ends in 21 days in half of 1743 01:02:46,460 --> 01:02:43,380 them still can't make it through but if 1744 01:02:48,859 --> 01:02:46,470 I were to use the material world as the 1745 01:02:49,790 --> 01:02:48,869 basis for understanding the personality 1746 01:02:52,130 --> 01:02:49,800 of the creator 1747 01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:52,140 I'd say he's chaotic neutral at best 1748 01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:54,690 which is fine by me obviously it's not 1749 01:02:59,420 --> 01:02:56,910 all bad I did just get engaged this 1750 01:03:00,920 --> 01:02:59,430 weekend but if you haven't seen the Book 1751 01:03:02,839 --> 01:03:00,930 of Mormon that's basically its whole 1752 01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:02,849 premise simple-minded Mormons on a 1753 01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,980 mission to Uganda telling impoverished 1754 01:03:08,299 --> 01:03:06,480 people under the thumb of brutal 1755 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:08,309 warlords about the loving embrace of 1756 01:03:13,309 --> 01:03:11,130 Jesus you know yeah maybe bring them 1757 01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:13,319 food or supplies for a hospital instead 1758 01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:16,260 of a box of Bibles but I've gotten 1759 01:03:20,420 --> 01:03:18,660 pretty far away from any real point here 1760 01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,430 but I do hope that you liked this 1761 01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:22,319 episode overall regardless of how you 1762 01:03:25,819 --> 01:03:24,569 feel about the Flat Earth I do think we 1763 01:03:28,730 --> 01:03:25,829 should have a little self awareness 1764 01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,740 about our aggressive emotional knee-jerk 1765 01:03:32,990 --> 01:03:31,200 reactions to something as unoffensive as 1766 01:03:35,329 --> 01:03:33,000 someone considering a different shape of 1767 01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:35,339 the earth you know because honestly I 1768 01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:37,500 have more in common with a flat earther 1769 01:03:41,059 --> 01:03:39,510 than I do someone who stands in line for 1770 01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:41,069 hours just to give Hillary Clinton a 1771 01:03:45,380 --> 01:03:43,440 standing ovation right and there's a lot 1772 01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:45,390 of them out there I'd rather hang out 1773 01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:47,220 with someone who takes their analysis of 1774 01:03:52,339 --> 01:03:49,710 deception a little too far rather than 1775 01:03:53,870 --> 01:03:52,349 someone who doesn't see it at all and we 1776 01:03:55,940 --> 01:03:53,880 can find a lot of common ground around 1777 01:03:58,039 --> 01:03:55,950 the manipulation of the education system 1778 01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,049 and the scientific quarantine and the 1779 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:00,480 lives of NASA I actually think some of 1780 01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:02,730 the satellite material is their best 1781 01:04:07,069 --> 01:04:04,680 stuff we're told tens of thousands of 1782 01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:07,079 satellites are up there their designs 1783 01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:09,089 haven't really advanced in decades if 1784 01:04:13,940 --> 01:04:10,710 you do some google searching we have no 1785 01:04:15,799 --> 01:04:13,950 real photos they never seem to crash or 1786 01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:15,809 fall to earth the International Space 1787 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:17,910 Station never hits any of them it's 1788 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:19,410 compelling to think that that was all a 1789 01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,690 lie although I've had listeners write me 1790 01:04:25,819 --> 01:04:23,520 and say they work on satellites and 1791 01:04:28,010 --> 01:04:25,829 tracked them every day and I understand 1792 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:28,020 how someone like that would think I'm a 1793 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:30,690 [\h__\h] idiot but what are you really 1794 01:04:35,059 --> 01:04:32,730 tracking are you seeing satellites with 1795 01:04:37,099 --> 01:04:35,069 your own eyes are you tracking dots on a 1796 01:04:39,799 --> 01:04:37,109 radar system if I gave you a job 1797 01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:39,809 watching an automated game of pong on a 1798 01:04:43,490 --> 01:04:41,220 screen and told you that that was 1799 01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:43,500 something going on in space and when you 1800 01:04:47,210 --> 01:04:45,089 see a shooting star you're getting a 1801 01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:47,220 short glimpse of the ball going from one 1802 01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:49,020 paddle to the other you know just 1803 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:51,089 because you see it on a screen doesn't 1804 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:52,650 mean it's a real thing 1805 01:04:57,470 --> 01:04:54,450 it's not gonna be sufficient evidence 1806 01:04:59,690 --> 01:04:57,480 and you can get stuck in a cycle of 1807 01:05:01,970 --> 01:04:59,700 confirmation bias and taking this to a 1808 01:05:02,510 --> 01:05:01,980 place where no evidence is gonna be good 1809 01:05:04,220 --> 01:05:02,520 enough 1810 01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:04,230 I don't want to be like that of course 1811 01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:05,760 but I don't know why people get so 1812 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:07,890 emotional about the stuff in this flat 1813 01:05:12,140 --> 01:05:10,170 earth realm and we alternative thinkers 1814 01:05:14,300 --> 01:05:12,150 are already a small group why divide 1815 01:05:17,570 --> 01:05:14,310 ourselves further I get constant emails 1816 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:17,580 about how listeners love the general THC 1817 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:19,890 material and wish they had someone to 1818 01:05:23,630 --> 01:05:21,570 talk about these things with in their 1819 01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:23,640 regular life so be nice to the 1820 01:05:28,580 --> 01:05:25,680 flat-earthers they agree with everything 1821 01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:28,590 you do up into a point and that's better 1822 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:30,600 than nothing a lot of the times right or 1823 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:33,090 you can join the THC subreddit which 1824 01:05:39,580 --> 01:05:36,810 could use some new posters or if you 1825 01:05:41,690 --> 01:05:39,590 want to go further the THC Plus forums 1826 01:05:44,210 --> 01:05:41,700 where good things do seem to be 1827 01:05:46,070 --> 01:05:44,220 happening but I guess that's it in the 1828 01:05:48,860 --> 01:05:46,080 Plus show we did talk about some great 1829 01:05:50,270 --> 01:05:48,870 stuff how the nearly universal disliking 1830 01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:50,280 of math as part of the indoctrination 1831 01:05:55,700 --> 01:05:53,130 design Martis thoughts on Neil deGrasse 1832 01:05:57,620 --> 01:05:55,710 Tyson we talked about the Arctic and 1833 01:05:59,870 --> 01:05:57,630 Antarctic regions of the Flat Earth one 1834 01:06:02,150 --> 01:05:59,880 of my favorite areas to talk about in 1835 01:06:04,010 --> 01:06:02,160 either paradigm Marty talked about how 1836 01:06:05,570 --> 01:06:04,020 the number seven encodes the Sun and the 1837 01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:05,580 moon and why the government finds it 1838 01:06:10,790 --> 01:06:07,410 necessary to withhold this information 1839 01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:10,800 from schoolchildren and we got into ufos 1840 01:06:14,900 --> 01:06:12,450 and alien abduction which Marty doesn't 1841 01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:14,910 talk about a whole lot but we went there 1842 01:06:19,490 --> 01:06:17,370 and speculated a bit about it and how 1843 01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:19,500 that fits into a flat earth paradigm and 1844 01:06:24,140 --> 01:06:21,510 maybe these beans have been here longer 1845 01:06:26,380 --> 01:06:24,150 than us and live under the ground fun 1846 01:06:29,810 --> 01:06:26,390 stuff this week is no exception 1847 01:06:33,770 --> 01:06:29,820 sign up for Marty leads stay for the 1848 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:33,780 week after week after week of conspiracy 1849 01:06:38,660 --> 01:06:36,450 goodness so let me leave it there big 1850 01:06:40,490 --> 01:06:38,670 thanks to Marty congrats to him for 1851 01:06:42,620 --> 01:06:40,500 speaking at lightning in a bottle where 1852 01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:42,630 your humble host had slammed his door in 1853 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:44,310 the face of the universe and said I 1854 01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:46,170 don't want your opportunity for new 1855 01:06:52,730 --> 01:06:48,450 experiences and exciting life milestones 1856 01:06:54,830 --> 01:06:52,740 I'm too comfortable where it's safe so 1857 01:06:57,230 --> 01:06:54,840 be a better man than I and I'll see you 1858 01:06:59,600 --> 01:06:57,240 next week June is gonna kick ass for THD 1859 01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:59,610 listeners sign up for plus if you 1860 01:07:04,310 --> 01:07:01,200 haven't it's the air that I breathe 1861 01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:04,320 people that's it for me this week your 1862 01:07:08,650 --> 01:07:06,450 move masters of manipulation and core 1863 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:08,660 teeners of the composition conspiracy 1864 01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:13,290 your [\h__\h] move and here's a little to 1865 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:16,290 tidge by Marty himself called torture to 1866 01:07:26,610 --> 01:07:24,150 it goes all the same 1867 01:07:29,980 --> 01:07:26,620 play now all breeze sounds with the 1868 01:08:17,660 --> 01:07:32,690 - where's away 1869 01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:20,519 that brings me 1870 01:08:39,049 --> 01:11:00,459 it was great as well 1871 01:11:04,370 --> 01:11:02,810 hey guys thanks for listening to the 1872 01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:04,380 first hour of the higher side chats 1873 01:11:08,779 --> 01:11:06,719 podcast with me Greg Carl wood if you 1874 01:11:11,149 --> 01:11:08,789 don't know there is a second hour to all 1875 01:11:12,859 --> 01:11:11,159 the episodes we do around here generally 1876 01:11:14,569 --> 01:11:12,869 we're able to get a lot deeper into the 1877 01:11:16,580 --> 01:11:14,579 topics and ideas that a guest is about 1878 01:11:19,729 --> 01:11:16,590 so if you enjoyed what you've heard from 1879 01:11:21,919 --> 01:11:19,739 THC for free consider signing up at the 1880 01:11:23,899 --> 01:11:21,929 higher side chats plus com to get the 1881 01:11:26,209 --> 01:11:23,909 second hour of the 5 shows I put 1882 01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:26,219 together each month I never really 1883 01:11:29,839 --> 01:11:28,110 wanted to be a paid subscriber podcast 1884 01:11:31,819 --> 01:11:29,849 but I really hate the idea of spending 1885 01:11:33,919 --> 01:11:31,829 airtime promoting some product that's 1886 01:11:35,569 --> 01:11:33,929 completely unrelated and telling you the 1887 01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:35,579 best way to support the show is to buy 1888 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:38,369 an audio book or new underwear by mail 1889 01:11:42,589 --> 01:11:40,050 or something crazy like that so instead 1890 01:11:44,180 --> 01:11:42,599 if you like the show double your time 1891 01:11:46,279 --> 01:11:44,190 with it for five bucks a month and let's 1892 01:11:47,930 --> 01:11:46,289 cut out all the other [\h__\h] it's half the 1893 01:11:49,700 --> 01:11:47,940 price of a movie ticket and you get at 1894 01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:49,710 least an extra five hours of show a 1895 01:11:54,109 --> 01:11:52,320 month collectively it keeps us stable 1896 01:11:55,700 --> 01:11:54,119 and it frees me from wasting your time 1897 01:11:58,279 --> 01:11:55,710 with anything but the show you came to 1898 01:12:00,259 --> 01:11:58,289 listen to it's really the only way for 1899 01:12:02,060 --> 01:12:00,269 an independent one-man show to make it 1900 01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:02,070 and I do what I can so that it's worth 1901 01:12:06,259 --> 01:12:04,289 your while since we started this I've 1902 01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:06,269 always tried to use the subscriptions to 1903 01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:08,280 improve the podcast and make 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01:14:01,070 of podcasts out there and I'm just one 1959 01:14:05,020 --> 01:14:03,230 of them but if you have any questions 1960 01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:05,030 concerns or comments about any of this 1961 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:06,560 please get in touch with us at the 1962 01:14:10,780 --> 01:14:07,610 higher side chats 1963 01:14:12,189 --> 01:14:10,790 team at gmail.com I also wanted to plug 1964 01:14:14,109 --> 01:14:12,199 the higher side newsletter I'm going to 1965 01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:14,119 be putting out totally free for anyone 1966 01:14:17,649 --> 01:14:15,679 who wants to sign up at the main 1967 01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:17,659 Internet web site for the show the 1968 01:14:21,790 --> 01:14:20,239 higher side chats comm you can also get 1969 01:14:23,530 --> 01:14:21,800 on that email list through the higher 1970 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:23,540 side chats Facebook page there's a 1971 01:14:26,319 --> 01:14:24,650 button there as well 1972 01:14:28,899 --> 01:14:26,329 but the reason I'm doing this is because 1973 01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:28,909 I get tons and tons of emails after a 1974 01:14:33,069 --> 01:14:31,040 show goes up asking me about how I feel 1975 01:14:34,750 --> 01:14:33,079 about a particular guest or topic and 1976 01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:34,760 the wrap-up isn't always the best place 1977 01:14:38,740 --> 01:14:36,710 to do that especially if I have anything 1978 01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:38,750 negative to say sometimes the dust needs 1979 01:14:43,089 --> 01:14:40,610 to settle sometimes I need to hear 1980 01:14:44,649 --> 01:14:43,099 feedback from you guys first there are a 1981 01:14:46,270 --> 01:14:44,659 lot of factors but I usually have 1982 01:14:48,729 --> 01:14:46,280 something to communicate to you and I 1983 01:14:50,350 --> 01:14:48,739 just don't get to do it so on the first 1984 01:14:51,939 --> 01:14:50,360 of the month I plan to send out a little 1985 01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:51,949 newsletter with my thoughts about the 1986 01:14:56,169 --> 01:14:54,290 five shows the previous month and talk 1987 01:14:58,330 --> 01:14:56,179 to you about anything else that's on my 1988 01:15:00,129 --> 01:14:58,340 mind or that's going on and what's 1989 01:15:01,899 --> 01:15:00,139 probably most enticing is that I'm gonna 1990 01:15:03,850 --> 01:15:01,909 give you some insight into at least one 1991 01:15:05,859 --> 01:15:03,860 guest I have coming up in the month 1992 01:15:07,870 --> 01:15:05,869 which people have been begging for some 1993 01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:07,880 posted schedule for a long time I 1994 01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:09,920 personally think I'd like the surprise 1995 01:15:13,540 --> 01:15:11,510 but sign up for the higher side 1996 01:15:15,010 --> 01:15:13,550 newsletter it's free it comes out on the 1997 01:15:15,890 --> 01:15:15,020 1st of the month and I won't waste your 1998 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:15,900 time with an 1999 01:15:20,419 --> 01:15:18,330 other emails and that's it I appreciate 2000 01:15:22,610 --> 01:15:20,429 you listening I try to give alternative 2001 01:15:24,970 --> 01:15:22,620 ideas and guess a fair shake on a high 2002 01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:24,980 quality podcast expose some deep level 2003 01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:27,600 conspiracies without the yelling and I 2004 01:15:31,580 --> 01:15:29,489 hope to offer some inspiration that even 2005 01:15:33,140 --> 01:15:31,590 though the system relentlessly suggests 2006 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:33,150 you should follow their blueprint to 2007 01:15:37,790 --> 01:15:35,610 mediocrity you can do your own thing and 2008 01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:37,800 live a much happier life despite all the